[ale] unusual global warming experiment

[Greg Freemyer]

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:24/plot/gistemp/from:1979/mean:24/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1979/mean:24

I typo'ed the final 4 which got rid of some of the smoothing.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> In support of Brian there has been a significant divergence between
> satellite data, noaa ground data, and CRU's ground data since 1979
> when the first satellite data is available.
>
> http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:24/plot/gistemp/from:1979/mean:24/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1979/mean:2
>
> I trust the satellite data most (UAH goes back to 1979).  No
> extraneous adjustments made in seemingly random ways.
>
> Remember global warming supposedly has been about .7 degrees C/century
> so .2 or .3 degrees divergence between these measurements in 30 years
> is more than enough to be troubling to me.  (ie. at that rate the
> entire warming could be accounted for from just measurement
> divergence.)
>
> Anyway all of these show 2009 globally as cooler than most of the last 10 years.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:30 PM, William Fragakis <william at fragakis.com> wrote:
>> gosh, those communist whackos keep coming up with
>> flawed data even after the scientists on TV have declared this settled
>>
>> "IMD declares 2009 warmest year since 1901"
>> http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/07/stories/2010020750371600.htm
>>
>> "Exclusive: 2009 Hottest Year on Record in Southern Hemisphere"
>> http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2010/113/2
>>
>> "NASA Research Finds Last Decade was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of
>> Warmest Years"
>> http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html
>>
>> btw, the open market is not a panacea - it brought us the mortgage
>> meltdown.
>>
>> and before anyone points out the snow in the NE, it may be wise to
>> consider the absolute lack of it in the normal spots like the Winter
>> Olympics
>> "Canada's mild climate leaves Winter Olympics short of snow"
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/10/vancouver-lacks-snow
>>
>> regards,
>> William
>> (whose background is economics and investment banking, not environmental
>> science or comp sci so I can absolutely vouch for only one of the above
>> items)
>>
>> On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:53 -0500, Brian W. Neu wrote:
>>> Holy F&)( !!!  You've got to be kidding me!  We're $13 Trillion in the
>>> hole and some do-nothing government parasite has come up with another
>>> waste of money towards the concept of a failed communist scheme to guilt
>>> people out of their liberty and their property?  These people know no
>>> bounds.
>>>
>>> The argument is over.  The science is finally settled, and it was
>>> fraud.  Contrary to the predictions of every commi-wacko's phony climate
>>> computer models, the earth has been cooling since 1998.  That's the end
>>> of the f'ing argument.  Listen here global warming whackos, "The world
>>> doesn't need you to save them.  Go look for meaning in your life some
>>> other way.  You might start by producing a product that people freely
>>> choose to purchase at open market prices.  That keeps you from being a
>>> parasite which helps everyone who is normally carrying your dead weight
>>> and the baggage you bring with your flawed ideology and phony science."
>>>
>>> This experiment is not interesting.  It's shameless waste and has
>>> absolutely no relevance to the only source of global warming that the
>>> earth has ever known, an increase in energy output from that big fiery
>>> ball in the sky, THE SUN.
>>>
>>> All they are going to find is a great way to increase the output and
>>> potency of pot plants that someone is going to plant in some obscure
>>> corner of the lot . . oh, and how to waste millions of tax dollars that
>>> our kids will all have to pay one day in the process.
>>>
>>> Grrrrrrrrr. . .  . .
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2010 1:30 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>> > I don't know if this is cool or crazy, but it is interesting either way.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/09/global-warming-minnesota-technology-ecotech-forest_2.html
>>> >
>>> > They are going to surround a forest with plastic walls, then heat the
>>> > ground and air to simulate GW.  They will also increase the CO2
>>> > concentration.  Wait 10 or 15 years and see what happens.
>>> >
>>> > Note that say they are doing it in Minnesota because the models
>>> > predict the biggest GW impact is there and to the north of there.
>>> >
>>> > Greg
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