[ale] unusual global warming experiment

[Greg Freemyer]

In support of Brian there has been a significant divergence between
satellite data, noaa ground data, and CRU's ground data since 1979
when the first satellite data is available.

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mean:24/plot/gistemp/from:1979/mean:24/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1979/mean:2

I trust the satellite data most (UAH goes back to 1979).  No
extraneous adjustments made in seemingly random ways.

Remember global warming supposedly has been about .7 degrees C/century
so .2 or .3 degrees divergence between these measurements in 30 years
is more than enough to be troubling to me.  (ie. at that rate the
entire warming could be accounted for from just measurement
divergence.)

Anyway all of these show 2009 globally as cooler than most of the last 10 years.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:30 PM, William Fragakis <william at fragakis.com> wrote:
> gosh, those communist whackos keep coming up with
> flawed data even after the scientists on TV have declared this settled
>
> "IMD declares 2009 warmest year since 1901"
> http://www.hindu.com/2010/02/07/stories/2010020750371600.htm
>
> "Exclusive: 2009 Hottest Year on Record in Southern Hemisphere"
> http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2010/113/2
>
> "NASA Research Finds Last Decade was Warmest on Record, 2009 One of
> Warmest Years"
> http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html
>
> btw, the open market is not a panacea - it brought us the mortgage
> meltdown.
>
> and before anyone points out the snow in the NE, it may be wise to
> consider the absolute lack of it in the normal spots like the Winter
> Olympics
> "Canada's mild climate leaves Winter Olympics short of snow"
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/10/vancouver-lacks-snow
>
> regards,
> William
> (whose background is economics and investment banking, not environmental
> science or comp sci so I can absolutely vouch for only one of the above
> items)
>
> On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 16:53 -0500, Brian W. Neu wrote:
>> Holy F&)( !!!  You've got to be kidding me!  We're $13 Trillion in the
>> hole and some do-nothing government parasite has come up with another
>> waste of money towards the concept of a failed communist scheme to guilt
>> people out of their liberty and their property?  These people know no
>> bounds.
>>
>> The argument is over.  The science is finally settled, and it was
>> fraud.  Contrary to the predictions of every commi-wacko's phony climate
>> computer models, the earth has been cooling since 1998.  That's the end
>> of the f'ing argument.  Listen here global warming whackos, "The world
>> doesn't need you to save them.  Go look for meaning in your life some
>> other way.  You might start by producing a product that people freely
>> choose to purchase at open market prices.  That keeps you from being a
>> parasite which helps everyone who is normally carrying your dead weight
>> and the baggage you bring with your flawed ideology and phony science."
>>
>> This experiment is not interesting.  It's shameless waste and has
>> absolutely no relevance to the only source of global warming that the
>> earth has ever known, an increase in energy output from that big fiery
>> ball in the sky, THE SUN.
>>
>> All they are going to find is a great way to increase the output and
>> potency of pot plants that someone is going to plant in some obscure
>> corner of the lot . . oh, and how to waste millions of tax dollars that
>> our kids will all have to pay one day in the process.
>>
>> Grrrrrrrrr. . .  . .
>>
>>
>> On 2/10/2010 1:30 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> > I don't know if this is cool or crazy, but it is interesting either way.
>> >
>> > http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/09/global-warming-minnesota-technology-ecotech-forest_2.html
>> >
>> > They are going to surround a forest with plastic walls, then heat the
>> > ground and air to simulate GW.  They will also increase the CO2
>> > concentration.  Wait 10 or 15 years and see what happens.
>> >
>> > Note that say they are doing it in Minnesota because the models
>> > predict the biggest GW impact is there and to the north of there.
>> >
>> > Greg
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