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[Christopher Fowler]

How does Python handle threads.  I've not been too impressed with Perl
and threads.  I have a project that requires threads and I could switch
to python.
 

On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 10:53 -0400, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> Umm.  I wrote a bunch of perl for both work and play, then got this
> gig where python is the Official Scripting Language. Python is my
> current language of choice for recreational coding as well for work.
> I'd rather not get into a language war here, but I'll not go back to
> perl unless someone nearby pays me. The OP was right that perl has
> better community support. But python also has community support --
> check out the Python Cheeseshop ( http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi )
> for example.  Of course, for learning Good Coding Style, community
> support may be less critical than for getting something working on a
> deadline.
> 
> I find it a easier to write code I consider elegant and comprehensible
> in python than I do in perl, and I have a a reasonable  amount of
> experience in perl.  Working code samples of mine are available for
> both languages: the fraudulator ( http://tomshiro.org/fraudulator/ )
> is written in perl, and the sudoku grinder
> ( http://tomshiro.org/sudoku-grinder/ ) is in python. So if you wish
> you can make your own comparisions -- as well as pointing and laughing
> at my "WTF"-style coding if you wish. NB that these comments apply to
> perl 5 only -- I haven't worked at all with perl 6.
> 
> The canonical Big Python Project is zope ( http://www.zope.org ), a
> web application server which is very easy to use but  has been accused
> of scaling troubles. Other projects I'm aware of in this space include
> Cherrypy ( http://www.cherrypy.org/ ) and django
> ( http://www.djangoproject.com/ ). You can of course google "big
> python projects" as well as I can. There're plenty of them out there
> it appears.
> 
> And hey, if you're gonna write C++., you should read Bjarne
> Stroustroup's _The_Design_and_Evolution_of_C++ . It's a surprisingly
> entertaining as well as deep look at the design issues Stroustroup
> faced from the Man Himself.
> 
> -- CHS
> 
> 
> On 8/31/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>         I believe KDE and GNOME are both written in C++ and they are
>         large
>         projects.
>         
>         I think it is good that schools are now teaching stuff like
>         scripting
>         languages vs Cobol.  I ask why the choice of Python?  Maybe
>         because it 
>         has a strong focus in OOP.  It seems that Perl would give you
>         more bang
>         for the buck in terms of languages to program in.  They are
>         both
>         excellent choices.  I believe Perl has better community
>         support which
>         would lend itself to a good choice in almost any
>         project.  I'll put it 
>         this way, there has not been a time when I thought that Perl
>         could not
>         do what I needed and I thought about using something
>         else.  I've done
>         some unique things with Perl so far.
>         
>         
>         On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 00:28 -0400, Steve Brown wrote: 
>         >
>         > From: Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>
>         > >Another method is looking at source code.  Look at OSS
>         projects.
>         > Large
>         > >projects that don't usually commit patches from crap code.
>         >
>         >
>         > That's a good idea, do you know a few good ones off the top
>         of your
>         > head? I'm taking C++ and Python classes this semester if
>         that helps :) 
>         >
>         > -Steve
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