Ubuntu Distro Discussions (Re: [ale] linux recommendations)

Fri Dec 24 04:23:37 EST 2004

Get this crap off this list. The only slander going on is yours against Mark, the United States, and 
our government. Slander is when you show clear ill will, usually knowingly false, as is the case in 
your remarks below. Mark's words were simply misguided and, supposedly ignorant, but justifiably 
confused. He has since publically retracted his words and, in doing so, even demonstrated that his 
motives never contained ill will as he wanted to like the creators of the distro. You have shown a 
willingness to ignore clarifications posted on this list hours before your self-serving vitriol - all the 
while hypocritically waving the flag of "open discourse and fairness". I won't even comment on your 
bizarre stream of consciousness involving international terrorists, AIDs victims and opinion polls... 
you've just really outdone yourself.

	remarkable,

		Ben Scherrey

12/23/2004 11:26:09 PM, aaron <aaron at pd.org> wrote:

>Dear Ubuntu Linux:
>
>I am an active member of a well recognized Linux user group in Atlanta, 
>Georgia, USA. Several weeks ago I discovered and, based on your site 
>information, recommended your Linux distro offerings in response to 
>discussions of Linux "accessibility" features on the group's mailing list  
>[archives and subscription available at <http://www.ale.org>]. 
>
>Recently, on the same list, your distro was recommended by others as a good, 
>user friendly desktop solution for new Linux users [full email below]. The 
>"linux recommendations" thread renewed my curiosity, and I have downloaded 
>the current Ubuntu distro with plans of doing some test installations soon. 
> 
>Unfortunately, the author of one of those recent recommendations also felt it 
>necessary to accompany his positive technical review with unwarranted, 
>politically motivated vilifications of your organization. In interests of 
>open discourse and fairness, I am calling these comments to your attention, 
>should you care to respond:
>
>" The organization that sponsors Ubuntu is a pack of raging America 
>hating liberals.  If that doesn't put you off I would recommend it.  I 
>personally like my Linux ideology free. " 
>
>I'm afraid this kind of hate mongering, brown shirt language is tragically and 
>pathetically common to the fascist, neo-conservative, Pan-American movements 
>currently being suffered in our formerly respectable country. The formulaic 
>"liberal" bashing construct is  typical of the frequent, pre-packaged, 
>exclusively partisan rants issued through supporters of the international 
>terrorists who presently retain illegal control of our national government. 
>On behalf of the globally respectful majority of American patriots (in whole) 
>and the sane majority of Open Source community members in the Atlanta Linux 
>Enthusiast group (in specific), I would like to offer our sincere apologies.
>
>While the slander is innexcusable on principle alone, a detailed review of 
>your site also failed to reveal any published comments or activities that 
>might remotely rationalize this unfounded attack. The sad likelyhood is that 
>the divisive, political harangue you suffered is an end product of the 
>elitist, radical right wing propaganda machine that has been poisoning our 
>national language and conscience through corporate financed media mills and 
>"think tanks" for nearly 40 years now. By design, the most compliant victims 
>of this incessant, insidious droning have become automated Pavlovian attack 
>dogs, launching partisan, dogmatic, and reactionary hate rhetoric assaults 
>when ever and where ever civic morality, civil liberty, respect for 
>community, pursuit of peace or humanitarian ideals are being prooven, 
>published or discussed.
>
>We hope that you will forgive the unwarranted vilification of your admirable 
>Open Source endeavors from within a kindred community, and will also try to 
>understand the true source and motivation of such fascist political attacks.  
>Like AIDS victims, most of the radical minority of Americans who spread this 
>disease of nationalist arrogance are not even aware of their deadly illness. 
>While opinion polls indicate that some 80% of the informed global community 
>shares our majority disdain of an arrogant, totalitarian and imperialist 
>regime, we hope that you also share the common sense not to confuse evil 
>heads of state with the innocent peoples corrupted by them, forced to endure 
>them, or murdered because of them.
>
>For myself, I admire your organization's philosophical foundations and feel 
>you have chosen a highly appropriate, definitive and representative banner 
>for a GNU Open Source Linux distribution. I hope your group and affiliates 
>will continue to openly acknowledge commitment to community as the integral 
>foundation of all worthwhile, uplifting and spiritually fulfilling human 
>endeavors.
>
>peace
>(Because the only respectable nation is a nation at peace.)
>aaron
> 
>
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>----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
>Subject: Re: [ale] linux recommendations
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:57:15 -0500
>From: Mark Wright <mpwright at speedfactory.net>
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>
>I second that recommendation.
>
>  I have been very impressed with Ubuntu.  It is based on Debian and 
>uses apt which I think is great.  I haven't used too many of the latest 
>distros as a desktop (the last was FC2 and I use mandrake 9.2 at 
>home... should upgrade) but I like the way it works with USB memory and 
>disks.  I have to su umount to get rid of a USB key device on Mandrake 
>and had the same problem on FC2.  You don't want to have to explain how 
>to enter a root command in a terminal over the phone if you don't have 
>to.  :-)
>
>The organization that sponsors Ubuntu is a pack of raging America 
>hating liberals.  If that doesn't put you off I would recommend it.  I 
>personally like my Linux ideology free.
>
>I have several extra copies of their disto package.  I'll mail you a 
>copy if you like.
>
>Mark
>
>
>On Dec 22, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Kevin Carstensen wrote:
>>
>>
>>   You could show them Ubuntu.  Once they're used to it at home they
>> can have a LiveCD to take the linux they know with them to use and
>> show.  Nice clean Debian system.  It's "hip" too, I think young people
>> would like it.
>> -- kevin
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