[ale] OT: H1B

Geoffrey esoteric at 3times25.net
Mon Dec 16 15:48:28 EST 2002 

Zyman, Andy wrote:
> Geoffrey,
> This is different issue you are talking about. And here i agree with you.
> But just saying that  visa holders has certain _advantages_ over the
> citizens, excuse my French, is a pure BS.

I don't know if they do or not.  Bottom line for me is, I see too many 
VERY GOOD technical U.S. Citizens out of work, and therefore think that 
H1Bs should be stopped for until this problem is resolved.

> 
> I'm not following the "medical visas" question. But i found it interesting
> how hospitals ( let say hospitals ) reacted on the proposal to allow more
> foreign nurses to enter and work in the country.

Again, if there are citizens who are capable of performing the function, 
they should get the first shot.

> AZ
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
>>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:19 PM
>>To: ale at ale.org
>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
>>
>>
>>Special treatment or not, there should be a better system to 
>>for these 
>>issues.  People from other countries should not be permitted to enter 
>>this country and take a job with so many folks out of work.
>>
>>And, FYI, I am employed and actually hoping for an early retirement 
>>package offer.
>>
>>
>>Zyman, Andy wrote:
>>
>>>Stephen,
>>>
>>>
>>>>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not 
>>
>>receive special
>>
>>>>treatment that not even American citizens receive.
>>>
>>>May i ask you what is the "special treatment" is ? Paying 
>>
>>social insurance,
>>
>>>unemployment, medical etc. taxes and have 12 ( correct me 
>>
>>please in number )
>>
>>>days to leave country in case he lost his job? Unable to 
>>
>>provide services to
>>
>>>any other company just because you allowed to work only for 
>>
>>the company who
>>
>>>holds your visa?
>>>
>>>Could you please put a list of the "special treatment" 
>>
>>package from which
>>
>>>holder of H1b visa gain over the citizen/perm. resident? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: stephen at touset.dyndns.org [mailto:stephen at touset.dyndns.org]
>>>>Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:31 AM
>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>Subject: RE: [ale] OT: H1B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have no problem with our Customs officials handing out 
>>>>visas. We're not
>>>>going to stop any terrorist attacks by keeping others out of the
>>>>country--just like with gun control, they'll find a way 
>>>>around it. We have
>>>>thousands of miles of unproteced borders that anyone could 
>>>>cross, and we
>>>>have no way of preventing it.
>>>>However, I do agree that holders of H1B visas should not 
>>>>receive special
>>>>treatment that not even American citizens receive. I don't 
>>>>pay taxes so
>>>>that someone can have an easier time because of my work. I 
>>>>pay taxes so
>>>>that politicians can have $150,000/yr salaries and gigantic 
>>>>bureaucracies
>>>>can lose it, and damnit, I want to keep it that way. We have 
>>>>far too many
>>>>people immigrating into this country to receive benefits like 
>>>>welfare and
>>>>social security, contributing nothing in the process. The 
>>
>>real problem
>>
>>>>here is not with the immigration itself, but with the 
>>>>existence of such
>>>>opportunities. If we were to eliminate welfare, social 
>>>>security, etc., all
>>>>across the board, more immigrants to the United States would 
>>>>be here to
>>>>work and produce, instead of consume. Hell, our own citizens 
>>>>would, too.
>>>>Stephen Touset
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree 100%!!  Getting tired of Hotel Patel myself.  Want 
>>>>
>>>>an english
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>speaking and understanding person to talk with after being 
>>>>
>>>>on the road
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>for a long time especially if it is late.
>>>>>
>>>>>gj
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf 
>>>>
>>>>Of Cougar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 9:13 PM
>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>... and should they start a business, they get extremely 
>>>>
>>>>low tax rates
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(unavailable to US CITIZENS) for TWO years, after which they are
>>>>>allowed to SELL their business to relatives back home and the whole
>>>>>process renews! Don't believe it? Just check out the 
>>>>
>>>>ownership of 99%
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of the motels along our
>>>>>interstate system.  It's time we start voting AGAINST 
>>>>
>>>>legislators who
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>support
>>>>>this garbage! (or start taxing the aliens until THEY bleed 
>>>>
>>>>instead of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>us.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cougar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sunday 15 December 2002 20:59, Robert Heaven wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And, would you believe, the US government is giving these 
>>>>
>>>>immigrants
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>low interest loans using OUR tax money to help them get 
>>>>
>>>>set up in this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 14:19, George Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is a FACT!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>george johnson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: ale-admin at ale.org [mailto:ale-admin at ale.org]On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>Cougar Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 4:39 PM
>>>>>>>To: ale at ale.org
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We've *got* to stop handing out visas like they were 
>>>>
>>>>'free coupons'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cougar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Friday 13 December 2002 16:14, Jordi S. Bunster wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 16:00, Cougar wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And you can bet your last nickle that should a 
>>>>
>>>>terrorist cyber
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>attack
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>happen, it will come from one of those H1-B visa 
>>>>
>>>>holders! It's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>time for this garbage to come to a screeching halt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Like one would need to be inside the US to do that 
>>>>
>>>>kind of thing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Or with a real passport, for that matter?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think you underestimate what those suckers have done, and how
>>>>>
>>>>>airport
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>security/imigration failed at doing their job right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The US government has everything it needs to send back every
>>>>>>>>single immigrant in the country. It could even be done without
>>>>>>>>having
>>>>>
>>>>>problems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>with the UN or similar groups. Do you have any ideas about why
>>>>>>>>they don't do it? D'you really think that would end 
>>>>
>>>>your problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>with "terrorism" once and for all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Geez. My mother is a holder of an H1B. All the poor 
>>>>
>>>>creature does
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>is consulting for an american company that sells 
>>>>
>>>>clothes in south
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>america.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Go figure.
>>>>>>>
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