[ale] OT: Unix Cert at KSU?

[Greg]

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color=#0000ff>Yes, I have acquired my CUA from the KSU program.  The 
classes varied in actual worthwhile-ness.  Some of the classes were 
great (and very "real world") and some were taught to the lowest level, which I 
think was too low.  Perhaps some discipline on prerequisites would overcome 
that.  Also I think the "I will take a class (es), instantly, know IT and 
get a job paying $95,000 / year since there are so many IT jobs out there." 
mentality still exists, unfortunately.  Some students are obviously 
not technically inclined and seemed to not to want to "pay their dues" to 
learn.  Others were the opposite.  I told many that old PC's could be 
had for less than $50 (or even less, i.e. $10) and Linux was free and that they 
really really really need to actually USE the stuff to learn it, Â but I 
don't think many carried through with actually having any contact with it other 
than the classes.
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I 
don't think many understood the duties and responsibilities of a sysadmin in a 
company either.  In many cases an inept sysadmin could really hurt in a 
major manner a firm's business.  There is a reason some folks get paid 
the big bucks and it often has to do with having a lot of knowledge, 
experience, and responsibility for a network/system that has a lot of 
value.  Speaking of skills, coding in a language - i.e. C and serious shell 
scripting as well as often Perl are skills that I find in Unix 
sysadmins that is missing in any form from their MS counterparts.  And yes, 
many MCSE's can't even use the MS Scripting Host crapola.
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color=#0000ff>Dunno about it being worthwhile.  My last company paid for 
3-4 of the classes, so I just antied up the rest.  I hate leaving things 
half done.  If you meet someone for a possible job who considers 
certifications worthwhile, then yes, it is worth it.  Otherwise you could 
learn it on your own, minus the real world experience of the instructors, many 
of whom where certifiable gurus in their fields and passed on invaluable 
knowledge.
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As 
usual , ymmv rules.  If you have any other questions or find this is 
somewhat on the lean side of an answer, I would be happy to answer them / 
expound up my answer.
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color=#0000ff>Greg
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Stanaland, Brian 
  [mailto:BStanaland at PanAmSat.com]Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:13 
  AMTo: ale at ale.orgSubject: RE: [ale] OT: Unix Cert at 
  KSU?
  I am waiting for a reply from the program director.  I'll 
  post any info I get from him to the list. 
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  As part of the new MSACS at Kennesaw, you acquire the Unix 
  certification offered by KSU's coned department.  
  Anyone completed this certification? Was it worth 
  it?  Too simple?  Too hard? 
  Since I have to take it for the program, I'm kinda interested 
  in whether I'll get anything out of it or if it will 
  simply be a "here's how to list processes", etc. 
  beginner's course.  Not that I have a choice, but I'd <FONT 
  size=2>like to know what to expect... 
  Thanks! 
  John