[ale] WAS: Re: [ale] OMG politics goes digital? and TAKING IT FURTHER OT

[Geoffrey]

Thompson Freeman wrote:
> 
> Oh man - off topic by a mile and I've had my buttons pushed.
> <rant>
> If you pay attention as you are processed through the jury system, you
> will probably notice that what is wanted is nice, passive, leadable,
> emotive jurors - NOT independent thinkers. Notice that the jurors _don't_
> get to take notes, don't ask questions, in fact don't do a single active
> thing to indicate that they are still breathing until they get into the
> jury room.

I would disagree with the 'NOT independent thinkers issue.'  Each of the
sides is going to try an get the folks that are going to lean their
way.  Being an independent thinker may well count against you in some
cases, but certainly would go with you in others.  Generally that which
rubs one side wrong is going to favor the other, so I don't really think
you can make a blanket statement of 'they don't want' this or that.

Been a foreman twice.  I'm not sure where you got the thing about not
taking notes.  We were provided pencil and paper.  Couldn't take them
with us when it was all over, but that makes sense.  I guess it might
depend on the county or level you're at.

Once we went to deliberation and were stuck, the judge did inquire and
permit our input.

I'm not sure why you would want a jury to have input during the trial. 
Asking questions is permitted though.

> </rant>
> My appologies to the inocent of the list.
> 
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Robert Heaven wrote:
> 
> > I have the solution... stop "electing" the mouthpiece that the big money
> > corporations put up for election and start "selecting" our government
> > representatives by random draft of ordinary citizens. If we're smart
> > enough to serve on jury duty, standing in judgement of peoples lives,
> > then we're MORE than smart enough to serve in congress. Then, and ONLY
> > then, will we have a government "of the people, by the people and for
> > the people" instead of the mess we have now. (i.e., by the corporation,
> > for the corporation)
> >
> > -Robert
> >
> > Stephen Turner wrote:
> >
> > >they now can legally hack and monitor your computer?
> > >grr.. i mean heck if they did it illegally you could
> > >prevent them from it and they couldnt do nothing but
> > >now that its legal they can smack you around and on
> > >that note why the heck cant the people vote for whats
> > >legal what laws and bills get passed? the white house
> > >has developed too much power when it comes to saying
> > >whats law and whats gonna be done... things need to be
> > >fixed.. im ticked grrr hear me whine ;)
> > >
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