<div dir="auto"><div>Accidentally did that with an oudin coil I built as a transformer for the power supply of an x-ray tube I built in high school. It seems I skipped that part about "shielding to avoid blocking out all radio frequencies for about a 5 mile radius". I got paid a polite but rather firm visit from the FCC with clear directions on adding the required shielding called for in the Amateur Scientist article in Scientific American. Oops.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My dentist at that time donated a lead apron for me to wear while x-raying everything onto photograph paper. Fun times!</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">-- <br>James P. Kinney III<br><i><i><i><i><br></i></i></i></i>Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.<br>
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br><i><i><i><i><br><a href="http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/</a><br></i></i></i></i></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 20, 2026, 12:12 PM jon.maddog.hall--- via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> I'm guessing the statue of limitations has been exceeded his crimes.<br>
<br>
<br>
when I was in electronics class at Dulaney Senior High I built a transmitter that jammed all the car radios for about 15 minutes in Lutherville, Maryland in 1967.<br>
<br>
There! I got it off my chest!<br>
<br>
md<br>
<br>
<br>
> On 01/19/2026 4:00 PM EST James Taylor via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm guessing the statue of limitations has been exceeded his crimes.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> >>> lollipopman691 via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a>> 01/19/2026, 03:51 PM >>><br>
> Whoa! IIRC, launching model rockets against ground targets was<br>
> explicitly verboten.<br>
> And in fact still is (<br>
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> ), NAR Rule 8.<br>
> <br>
> GFY!<br>
> <br>
> - CHS<br>
> <br>
> On Monday, January 19th, 2026 at 3:26 PM, Jim Kinney<br>
> <<a href="mailto:jim.kinney@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jim.kinney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > I kicked down the door barring the use of calculators in the classroom<br>
> in high school.<br>
> ><br>
> > Sorry. My bad.<br>
> ><br>
> > I had a TI-99-4a that supported the magnetic cards to hold up to 100<br>
> steps. So I demonstrated that I had to know the math to code the math.<br>
> Then I got the plug in modules. I think I had trig and physics/mechanics<br>
> modules and maybe another. It was 1979 and those brain cells are long<br>
> dead.<br>
> ><br>
> > I do recall using the cards and the physics pack plus the Estes model<br>
> rocket engine thrust curve data set to lock in my launch rod angle to<br>
> put my evil scientist model rocket baby ballistic missiles where I<br>
> wanted them to hit. Heavy rocket, light engine. Not trying for apogee<br>
> but for repeatability of low-flight launch.<br>
> ><br>
> > Muahahaha!!<br>
> ><br>
> > Still looking for minions.....<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > James P. Kinney III<br>
> ><br>
> > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you<br>
> gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his<br>
> own tail. It won't fatten the dog.<br>
> > - Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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> ><br>
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2026, 12:25 PM lollipopman691 via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> I believe I am the last generation to actually use a slide rule in<br>
> class. College class of 1980.<br>
> >><br>
> >> BTW all numbers in OpenSCAD<br>
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> are 64 bit IEEE floating point. I just gave an OpenSCAD talk to DC404 (<br>
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> ). Pretty Fun.<br>
> >><br>
> >> -- CHS<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sunday, January 18th, 2026 at 11:51 AM, Jeff Lightner via Ale<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I owned a slide rule in high school but electronic calculators were<br>
> around by the time I was a senior so I was never terribly proficient<br>
> with it.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The well to do kids were buying the high end TI calculators but I<br>
> could only afford a model with basic functionality. It weighed a lot and<br>
> the battery didn't last long. That was back in the days they would blank<br>
> the display after a few seconds of inactivity, trying to preserve<br>
> battery.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> It was just as well though. In my math and science classes we<br>
> weren't allowed to use devices when doing calculations on tests so it<br>
> forced me to do things by hand.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Later in my hospitality/accounting career they initially didn't have<br>
> electronic or computerized systems early on. Many of the financial books<br>
> and reporting I did were done by hand. As time went by electronic<br>
> systems appeared and quickly evolved to computerized systems. I always<br>
> had to laugh when the computer went down as co-worcouldn't check people in or out. I explained that hotels actually<br>
> existed long before such systems so it was in fact possible.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>> From: Ale <a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale-bounces@ale.org</a> On Behalf Of jon.maddog.hall--- via<br>
> Ale<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2026 1:44 PM<br>
> >>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Cc: <a href="mailto:jon.maddog.hall@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jon.maddog.hall@gmail.com</a> <a href="mailto:jonhall80@comcast.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jonhall80@comcast.net</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Subject: Re: [ale] Engineering Archaeology<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> "If we applied such logic to when we were starting out - "slide<br>
> rules work just fine, don't need no electricity, storage, keyboards,<br>
> monitors, etc."<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Slide rules are an interesting example. Stop and think about the<br>
> incredible application of logarithms being painted on two sticks, then<br>
> slide those sticks back and forth to be able to multiply two numbers via<br>
> adding two logarithms of them.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Genius.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> And a fine example of analog mathematics being able to solve<br>
> engineering issues.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Usually only used to calculate to three levels of precision, they<br>
> were "good enough" to do the calculations in an age where three levels<br>
> of precision was about all we could do in any type of<br>
> manufacturing....so why calculate to any greater precision, whether you<br>
> are manufacturing a door knob or a bridge?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Fast forward to floating point arithmetic in a computer. How many of<br>
> us have fallen into the trap of trying to "equate" two floating point<br>
> numbers, only to realize that "two" really has a value of<br>
> "1.999999..something-mumble"<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> When I was teaching at Hartford State Technical College in 1975 the<br>
> school store was cleaning out their inventory and found about ten<br>
> beautiful "Aristo-Multilog Slide Rules", still in their box, complete<br>
> with leather carrying case and instructions.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> The store was selling them for five dollars each, down from their<br>
> original price that was probably close to 100 dollars. I bought all ten,<br>
> then gave them out as prizes to good students, showing them how to use<br>
> them and explaining the significance in computer science. I have two<br>
> left.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I did not expect the students to become as expert at using the slide<br>
> rule as I was, but I was happy to see that they understood the<br>
> significance of the lesson<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> md<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> > On 01/10/2026 8:36 PM EST Ron via Ale <a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ale@ale.org</a> wrote:<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Jeff Lightner via Ale wrote on 2026-01-10 14:50:<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > > In my later years when I would speak to people about “the old<br>
> days”<br>
> >>> > > and things such as RS232-C and/or Hayes modem commands I<br>
> realized<br>
> >>> > > that while it was likely true I’d forget much of the detail it<br>
> >>> > > didn’t mean younger folks would never know more than I’d<br>
> forgotten.<br>
> >>> > > They would instead have no need for what I’d forgotten (for the<br>
> most<br>
> >>> > > part) and eventually would learn things I’d never learn.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Insightful comment.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Of course, usual disclaimers of "not everyone, not always, not<br>
> >>> > everything" apply:<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > The "kids today" are learning lots of great new things and pushing<br>
> >>> > boundaries in new directions. They're exploring new ways to do<br>
> stuff<br>
> >>> > and aren't sold on "we've always done it this way, so we should<br>
> >>> > continue to do it this way".<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Too often I see that attitude by other, fellow tech old-timers.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > If we applied such logic to when we were starting out - "slide<br>
> rules<br>
> >>> > work just fine, don't need no electricity, storage, keyboards,<br>
> >>> > monitors, etc." - I'm sure most of us would've found it<br>
> unconvincing.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Let them have their chance, some ideas will work, some won't, and<br>
> it's<br>
> >>> > their world now.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > Anyway, appreciate the thought provoking post.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > _______________________________________________<br>
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