<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 11:16 PM Ron via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">William Wylde via Ale wrote on 2025-09-18 19:39:<br>
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> Yeah, I think I've figured out what happened. Something "updated" and <br>
> set wayland as the default graphical UI system.<br>
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That's interesting - something to watch out for. Thanks for updating us <br>
on what you found.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Might as well. I troubled you to find out what was going on... :-D</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> I just installed KDE.<br>
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Excellent choice. I kinda hated KDE plasma 5 when it first came out, <br>
but it got *really* nice. And now they're at plasma v6. I love it and <br>
it's made me lose any nostalgia I had for OS/2.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, KDE is still a little heavy for my tastes, but it's lighter than gnome, and not as weird in it's DE. I used to like gnome, until they introduced unity, which was horrible. Like a </div><div>nightmarish knock-off of the original windows 10 "start menu". It hasn't got any better. Most apps I use I just pin to my taskbar, or run in the tray. Less used apps I don't mind wiggling the mouse around a bit to find a place to click, but gnome forces you to struggle through the entire apps menu for anything. More clicks, more confusion. :-/</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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One app that just doesn't get enough recognition is KDEconnect, which is <br>
also available for other platforms.<br></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><sniped><div>
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etc. ad nauseam. A true "killer app".<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, I might do that, but I'm leery about connecting a phone to anything now, since the apple image vulnerability. It was also available under LXQt, btw... :-D</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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> I'm tired of messing with it. And it imported my <br>
> LXQT desktop settings with no problem...<br>
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Nice, I had no idea it could do that.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Apparently it does...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
> so wayland it is, I guess.<br>
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It's the future and apparently coming along nicely. I'm still using X11 <br>
but found myself in Wayland on a new install a while back and didn't <br>
realize it for weeks - everything just worked™. Until I tried to <br>
screen-share.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's what I figure. It'll be everywhere soon, and you never can tell when you'll be called on to work with it. Might as well learn it now.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
Maybe that's fixed now.<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Haven't tried that. VNC works under wayland, though.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
> dag-nabbit.<br>
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Bonus of using Wayland: a Discord app (for example) can't read the <br>
inputs to your bank's URL when entering account number and password.<br>
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Under X11, that's impossible to prevent, and in 2025 kinda shockingly <br>
bad security.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, that's another reason I'm just riding the wave here with wayland. It promises to be a lot more secure than Xorg. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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Another potential benefit - if you have 2 monitors of different DPI <br>
capabilities, Wayland should make them both look good instead of hacks <br>
to make scaling some fractional number that's okay on both.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That may become relevant very soon. I'm building a machine with a high-end processor with multi-threading, and I've got 2 nvidia tesla gpus to go into it, and 32 gb of ram. I plan on running a local LLM (any I want, really). Will be good for graphics too. </div><div><br></div><div>We'll see how buggy the nvidia stuff is, I guess. </div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">--<br><span>“Keep
away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people
always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can
become great.” </span><span>― Mark Twain</span><div><a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%204%3A13&version=NKJV" target="_blank">Philippians 4:13</a></div>
<b>I</b> <b>can</b> <b>do</b> <b>all</b> <b>things</b> <b>through</b> <b>Christ</b> <b>who</b> <b>strengthens</b> <b>me</b>.<br><br></div></div></div>