<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">Hi Steve,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">Somehow the context of "laptop" vs "desktop" got lost in the shuffle along the way. I seem to remember the conversation was around "laptops" and, quite frankly, I do not remember any laptops with 3.5" drives in them....ever. I have had several laptops with 2.5" drives.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">I also have a NAS server with four 12 TB HDDs, RAID for 24TB effective storage.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">Of course how much you store on your laptop varies with how you manage data overall. I have found that I can store almost ALL of my working data on my laptop because the density of storage has been increasing so fast that about the time the laptop storage is filled I get a new laptop with new storage and go back to being 50% full again. Rinse and repeat.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">The biggest issue with my last laptop was that I purchased it in 2007 with 500G of storage total. By the time I switched to my new laptop late last year I had 3 TB in the laptop, with 2TB of user data. The issue was effectively backing this up with only USB 3.0 speeds available.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">Now I have 4TB of storage in the laptop (effectively, with two 4TB NVMe M.2 RAID) but 3TB of user data, so 1TB is still unused. However I now have a laptop with a faster transfer rate than USB 3.0, so transfer rate for a full backup is significantly faster.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">I do not back up various "static" storage (CDs, DVDs, etc.) at all or do I back up anything in Google Cloud. Also, at my age I am getting to the point that some backed up data is most easily just deleted. I do not care about it and most people I know would not care about it. It just makes it harder for me to find the things I do care about. So my storage needs are either static or shrinking.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">Peace,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new roman,serif;font-size:large">md</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2025 at 5:21 PM Steve Litt via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:22:02 -0700<br>
Ron via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> William Bagwell via Ale wrote on 2025-04-07 17:47:<br>
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<br>
> > And when did they drop<br>
> > optical drives? <br>
> <br>
> Optical drives, bays for 3½ inch HDDs, *reset* buttons,...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I thought some of these were deal-breakers when I began researching<br>
> that recent upgrade, turns out "how many times do I press reset?" is <br>
> vanishingly close to zero, and "how often do I want to read an<br>
> optical disk?" is even less.<br>
<br>
Reset buttons are a menace: The very definition of a disorderly<br>
shutdown. They are from the days before operating systems (like my<br>
Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer computer). Those wanting an<br>
optical drive (like me) can buy a USB optical drive. No sweat.<br>
<br>
But no 3.5" drive bays? I've never heard of that, and it would<br>
absolutely be a deal breaker for me. Maybe others can get along with<br>
just a 4TB NVMe, but I've been at >10TB for ten years now (admittedly<br>
via multiple disks 2014-2020), and I'm not going back.<br>
<br>
The setup I like is a 1TB NVMe acting as my root partition and<br>
containing /usr, with everything else mounted or bind mounted from 7200<br>
RPM spinning rust.<br>
<br>
SteveT<br>
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