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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Ken Jennings said something like that when IBM’s Big Blue beat him and 2 other Jeopardy contestants a few years back.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Pete Hardie <pete.hardie@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 19, 2024 3:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale@ale.org><br><b>Cc:</b> jc.lightner@comcast.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] OT: youtube and AI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"I for one welcome our new robot overlords"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I know that's at least 25 years old on Slashdot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 2:34<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Jeff Lightner via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Careful. Their first “thoughts” might be “We need to eliminate biologics that complain.” </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😝</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br>More than one Sci-Fi movie or show (including various Star Trek series starting with TOS) have plots where humans get involved with androids or other thinking machines only to find out they had killed of their original creators either in self defense (e.g. they were going to shut us down) or “for their own good”. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Ale <<a href="mailto:ale-bounces@ale.org" target="_blank">ale-bounces@ale.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>George Allen via Ale<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 19, 2024 2:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> George Allen <<a href="mailto:glallen01@gmail.com" target="_blank">glallen01@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ale] OT: youtube and AI</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All of her WTF? points ... it's bad enough with YouTube, but terrible in other arenas.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My old pre 2012 Ford Escape died, and I had to get a new car (settled on a 2010 Prius).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Discovering all the "features" in "modern cars" like, non-mechanical gear-shifts and electric e-brakes, so you can't put the car in neutral or physically engage/disengage the parking brake without power and a "working computer" ... all pitched in the name of "more tech is better for you, the computer knows better than you" to the consumer and (likely) "it's cheaper to build electric linkages and we can sell it for more, vs engineering stuff like a independent mechanical parking brake."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Then there's: <a href="https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/" target="_blank">https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So we're a "product" for the cars to mine, AND we should wholly trust the cars with our lives as well as our data, as soon as they become self-driving, as promised any day now next decade.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I love technology, and appreciate that things like hybrid / ev's and CVTs require some level of drive-by-wire, but not at the cost of a mechanical ebrake, or Subaru's "you've accepted license terms that let us record audio and video of you simply by sitting in the car," or "tech is inherently good, humans get distracted (because we've addicted them all to phones) so you should let the cars do the driving"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Her "SkyNet is already perfect" conclusion seems like the same drum beating across AI "well you can't turn it off, but... interact with it _even more_ and make tuning suggestions" and the Auto Industry marketing all the data collection and computer-control > human-control designs as "safety features" for our own good.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems like Reddit is eating its own tail with AI at this point also.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If the computers are training themselves to think, what "thoughts" are they going to end up pushing towards the humans that stare at them en masse? The next chapter of all this history is going to make "Cambridge Analytica" look tame.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 12:06<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Boris Borisov via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor rgb(204,204,204) currentcolor currentcolor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I wasn't aware of that issue.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://youtu.be/DteWHExa04I?si=FJl_XIg_fEI6zMW1" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/DteWHExa04I?si=FJl_XIg_fEI6zMW1</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Ale mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org" target="_blank">Ale@ale.org</a><br><a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Ale mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org" target="_blank">Ale@ale.org</a><br><a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span class=gmailsignatureprefix>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pete Hardie<br>--------<br>Better Living Through Bitmaps<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>