<html><head></head><body>Point very well made.<br><br>Still feel a bit like a frog in a pot on the stove.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 6, 2021 12:54:07 PM EDT, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Of course they are two gigantic asshole companies. What we won was the *principle* that APIs are not copyrightable. That means that an Open Source instantiation of a published Closed-Source API is safe from legal threats. You won't be Sued into Oblivion if you, for example, write an implementation of Java that uses Java's libraries without reference to Oracle's code (e.g. <a href="http://openjdk.java.net/">http://openjdk.java.net/</a> ), or a C stdlib implementation which doesn't reference AT&T's old code ( e.g. <a href="http://clang.org/">http://clang.org/</a>, <a href="https://gcc.gnu.org/">https://gcc.gnu.org/</a> ). You can't be hounded for license fees if you **use** that implementation instead of the proprietary one.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This heads off a major danger to pretty much any software development, proprietary or Open Source. Imagine the consequences if AT&T started selling licenses to C's stdlib API -- so you couldn't use printf(1) without paying them a fee, for example, or so the prototype (e.g. the name and the arguments) of a call to rename a file suddenly became proprietary. It'd be Dramatic.</div><div><br></div><div>Judge William Alsup is kind of my Hero -- and this vindicates his original decision. You can read about why he's a Cool Dude ( <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-google-judge-william-alsup-interview-waymo-uber">https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-google-judge-william-alsup-interview-waymo-uber</a> ). The two dissenting Supremes ( Thomas and Alito) are luddite neanderthal Boomer idiots who don't understand the issue.</div><div><br></div><div>-- CHS</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:20 AM Jim Kinney via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Oracle: death by flaying<br>Google: death by slow boil<br>Me: No. No! NO! <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On April 6, 2021 2:22:57 AM EDT, Steve Litt via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre>Charles Shapiro via Ale said on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 19:14:21 -0400<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(114,159,207);padding-left:1ex">The Supremes have ruled on Oracle V Google. Judge Alsup is Vindicated.<br><br><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-05/" target="_blank">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-05/</a><br><<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-05/supreme-court-overturns-oracle-s-copyright-win-over-google" target="_blank">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-05/supreme-court-overturns-oracle-s-copyright-win-over-google</a>><br>supreme-court-overturns-oracle-s-copyright-win-over-google<br></blockquote><br>How did we win? How does one pick sides between two gigantic asshole<br>monopolies? I mean yeah, I despise Ellison, but Google's not my nominee<br>for citizen of the year.<br><br>SteveT<br><br>Steve Litt <br>Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful<br>Technologist <a href="http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques" target="_blank">http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques</a><hr>Ale mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ale@ale.org" target="_blank">Ale@ale.org</a><br><a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale" target="_blank">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo" target="_blank">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Computers amplify human error<br>Super computers are really cool</div>_______________________________________________<br>
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