<html><head></head><body>Hang on a sec, tying off my arm for another fedora injection....<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On February 6, 2021 10:07:37 AM EST, DJ-Pfulio via Ale <ale@ale.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">On 2/6/21 2:10 AM, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 20:55:50 -0500<br>Jim Kinney <jim.kinney@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> I LIKE systemd. Best tool yet for getting a ton of crap running on a<br> huge array of bare metal and virtual. About as complex as tar.<br><br> Some people just can't wrap their head around and bitch nonstop. <br></blockquote><br>Try runit. Or s6.<br><br></blockquote><br>I'm not a fan of systemd, but why would I change distros just for a <br>different init? I'm still waiting for PulseAudio to work and struggle<br>to make systemd do what I want beyond pre-installed stuff. I miss the <br>days of init.d/ scripts - at least then I could tell when something <br>would be run. <br><br>And don't get me started about how systemd has screwed the fstab and <br>made running fsck 100x harder by removing the touch /forcefsck <br>capability.<br><br>Still, some things aren't worth it to me. There may be hundreds of <br>distros, but in the business world, there are maybe 5. Trying to <br>suggest running anything except one of those 5 is counter productive.<br>What do those 5 distros all have in common? They use systemd and they <br>are the most popular distros. I'd have just as much luck pushing a <br>BSD desktop - i.e. none.<br><br>Sure. I can understand that some people can and will avoid systemd.<br>That's great. Let me know when one of those 5 most-popular distros <br>drops it.<br><br>Redhat/IBM giving away RHEL for small needs is both good and bad for <br>Linux. It is sorta like how Microsoft nearly gives away MS-SBS. As <br>soon as a small company's needs outgrow about 50 users, they are <br>already trapped. Trapped by current skills. Trapped by comfort. And <br>it will make every school training IT people use RHEL, so all those <br>people will run it at their homes. Brilliant, just like a drug dealer <br>with "the first taste is free" promotions.<br><br>IMHO.<hr>Ale mailing list<br>Ale@ale.org<br><a href="https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale">https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale</a><br>See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at<br><a href="http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo">http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo</a><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Computers amplify human error<br>Super computers are really cool</body></html>