<div dir="ltr"><div>Well said Jim.</div><div>Doug.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:59 PM Jim Kinney via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>There was a point in time years back when national politics bled into ALE. During that election cycle the membership plummeted as a few die hards would pound the keyboards and foment ire. It was unpleasant to watch, read, and eventually moderate with no mercy.<br><br>I pay a stupid amount of money right now to keep the <a href="http://ale.org" target="_blank">ale.org</a> server online. I will TURN IT OFF if I see ANY discussion of any election that extends beyond how Linux systems could help or hinder voting. I hope everyone eligible to vote does so in a respectful manner so they can also get called up for jury duty.<br><br>The feces can become ambulatory and reside elsewhere.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 15, 2020 8:38:36 AM EST, "Edward O. Holcroft via Ale" <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Delusional. Take your shit somewhere else.</div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:07 PM Bob Toxen via Ale <<a href="mailto:ale@ale.org" target="_blank">ale@ale.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Solomon Peachy wrote:<br>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 06:55:23PM -0500, Bob Toxen via Ale wrote:<br>
> > This is done in Florida, where I voted for the first time in November.<br>
<br>
> I've been voting in FL since 2002, in four different counties.<br>
<br>
> > Each voter watches the counting machine process. Maybe even have it<br>
> > print out a receipt showing who was voted for the voter to take home.<br>
> > Paper ballots should be kept by county for 1-5 years and are the official<br>
> > record in case recount or audit.<br>
<br>
> Reciepts mean nothing; if the machine "lies" in what it counts then it <br>
> can lie on the reciept too.<br>
Good point.<br>
<br>
> Only the actual ballot matters.<br>
Agreed.<br>
<br>
> > Each ballot is sequentially numbered with a digital signature on the<br>
> > ballot that is verified by the scanner. It is tracked which numbered<br>
> > ballots went to each precinct and verified during scanning. That numbered<br>
> > ballot should be tracked at each point<br>
<br>
> I don't recall if there is a unique number printed on the actual ballot <br>
> itself, but the ballot books are definitely numbered and tracked to the <br>
> precinct. Spoiled ballots are accounted for, and "used ballots" must <br>
> equal "counted+spoiled ballots"; also the number of counted ballots must <br>
> match the number of folks who checked into the precinct. Once the <br>
> ballot goes into the box, it cannot be removed by the local poll <br>
> workers, and at every step where the ballots (and boxes) are handled, <br>
> multiple observers are present.<br>
<br>
> > This prevents bogus ballots from being injected, which appears to have <br>
> > happened in the November election.<br>
<br>
> [Citation needed]<br>
<br>
> > Obviously track when voter votes, either in person or by mail, to prevent<br>
> > multiple voting.<br>
<br>
> This is already done.<br>
Great. Florida voting seems much more secure than Georgia!<br>
<br>
> > Of course check for a voter voting in multiple precents in a state<br>
<br>
> Registration in FL is statewide, and at time of voting your name is <br>
> checked against the list of folks registered for that precinct. Not on <br>
> the list? Provisional ballot for you, providing you show the required <br>
> documentation showing you are legally allowed to vote in that precinct.<br>
Good.<br>
<br>
> > Spot checking of paper ballots vs machine counts to detect flaky or<br>
> > hacked scanners.<br>
<br>
> Already the case.<br>
Good.<br>
<br>
> > Picture state or Federal government ID must be provided for registration<br>
> > or in person voting or copy of same (or similar solution) for mail-in<br>
> > ballots. Much fraud here. <br>
<br>
> Already the case. Oh, and [citation needed].<br>
Yes, in Florida and Georgia for in person voting.<br>
<br>
> > Of course match the voter's voting signature (sign in at poll or outer <br>
> > envelope if mail-in.) Apparently LOTS of fraud here in November. <br>
<br>
> Already the case. (FFS, the last two elections I had to re-sign my name <br>
> multiple times to make the poll workers happy)<br>
Not in Georgia. Essentially zero signature matching.<br>
<br>
> Oh, and [citation needed].<br>
<br>
> > Claims of voter suppression here is a damn lie.<br>
<br>
> Once again, [citation needed].<br>
I'll stop here as too far off this topic.<br>
<br>
> > Sadly massive voter fraud appears to have happened in November but not<br>
> > due to hacked machines. <br>
<br>
> [citation needed] -- especially as there are now what, 50 court losses <br>
> where they utterly failed to present *any* evidence of fraud, massive or <br>
> otherwise?<br>
Correction: judges refused to consider the cases and refused to look at any<br>
of the massive evidence. Why they refused to look, frankly, is a mystery<br>
to me but again off topic.<br>
<br>
> (It's funny how being under oath causes one to change their story)<br>
Yup. Hundreds of affidavits affirming illegal ballot counting and<br>
shocking video of very likely illegal fraudulent counting in<br>
Fulton County, GA.<br>
<br>
> > Disagreements to /dev/null please.<br>
<br>
> In other words, where this drivel should have gone to begin with.<br>
YMMV.<br>
<br>
> If you don't want to be called out, don't post BS in a public forum.<br>
YMMV.<br>
<br>
> - Solomon<br>
> -- <br>
> Solomon Peachy pizza at shaftnet dot org (email&xmpp)<br>
> @pizza:shaftnet dot org (matrix)<br>
> High Springs, FL speachy (freenode)<br>
Bob<br>
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