<html dir="ltr"><head></head><body style="text-align:left; direction:ltr;"><div>Hmm. That $annual$ difference is in the range I spend monthly on beer :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Not that there's anything relating the two other than "ale".</div><div><br></div><div>Just Sayin'</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 09:06 -0800, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><pre>I'm currently paying $0.12/kWh for my usage tier not including taxes and</pre><pre>surcharges. I'm fortunately still in the middle of the tier otherwise</pre><pre>it would be $0.21/kWh. Each Watt adds up to about $1.50 per year. so</pre><pre>the difference between a system running 100 W and one running 50 W does</pre><pre>make a difference especially for a 24/7 machine.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 2018-12-03 03:15, DJ-Pfulio via Ale wrote:</pre><pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></pre><pre>The loudest part of my NAS is the external array and it is quieter than</pre><pre>both other computers on the same rack. Maybe I'm getting old, but if I</pre><pre>don't see the power light on the front of the device, I don't hear it.</pre><pre>The computer does have a "Bronze" PSU from Seasonic that was a deal at</pre><pre>the time. 5 internal disks and 5 externals.</pre><pre>Be certain to label the HDD WWN where you can read it before swapping</pre><pre>failed disks. SMART header data will show it.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>Using less watts is good for lots of reasons, but saving $5/yr doesn't</pre><pre>make it worth spending $100 more on the solution for me. Run the actual</pre><pre>cost comparison with your real electrical costs is all I'm saying.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>iXsystems is a long-time sponsor of SELF. Over the years, they probably</pre><pre>gave a few talks about their systems. They do go out of their way to</pre><pre>keep the FreeNAS project FLOSS. I wouldn't have any concerns over their</pre><pre>corporate support of the project.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 12/3/18 1:44 AM, Phil Turmel via Ale wrote:</pre><pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></pre><pre>Ah, yes. Forgot about your low-noise requirement. That wasn't one of</pre><pre>my concerns for that system. It's mounted in the ceiling of the</pre><pre>basement, under the wall supporting the big screen in the family room.</pre><pre>Out of earshot. Small and low-power were my only major criteria.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>I still think you'd do well with an iTX mobo, even in a larger case.</pre><pre>Lots of ATX and EATX cases will have the mobo support points for iTX, too.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 12/2/18 6:05 PM, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:</pre><pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></pre><pre>That case is guaranteed not to be quiet. The power supply fans are too</pre><pre>small. I'd be looking for a case that could be populated with very</pre><pre>large diameter (like 120 mm) low RPM fans to keep the whole thing as</pre><pre>silent as possible. My current daily driver computer has three 120 mm</pre><pre>fans running at around 500 RPM or less, one on the oversize CPU heat</pre><pre>pipe cooler/radiator, another on the drive cage and the one in the power</pre><pre>supply. All of this is in a mid-tower case. I almost never hear the</pre><pre>machine even with three hard drives installed unless I put my ear up</pre><pre>next to it. That's the kind of thing I want for the NAS as well since</pre><pre>they'll be in the same room, big fans, nearly silent (hence using 5400</pre><pre>RPM drives). The case doesn't have to be small, I have plenty of</pre><pre>physical space for a big tower. I just need low power, near silence,</pre><pre>and the extra-nice-but-can-skip-if-alternative-exists individual</pre><pre>indicators for drive activity/health.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 2018-12-02 10:52, Phil Turmel via Ale wrote:</pre><pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></pre><pre>You can put something like that together yourself from a wide selection</pre><pre>of iTX mobos. Cheap and power-efficient. I ran one like that for</pre><pre>several years in a 1U 4-bay hot-swap case. In that one, I populated the</pre><pre>single PCIe slot with a decent radeon graphics card for MythTV, but such</pre><pre>could have easily been an LSI SAS controller in a bigger box.</pre><pre><br></pre><pre>It was this enclosure:</pre><pre><br></pre><pre><a href="http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/ITS-1916H-1U-ITX-4-Front-Load-Hot-Swappable-Drives-Rackmount-Case-and-Bare-bone-Unit-p1114.htm">http://www.idotpc.com/thestore/pc/ITS-1916H-1U-ITX-4-Front-Load-Hot-Swappable-Drives-Rackmount-Case-and-Bare-bone-Unit-p1114.htm</a></pre><pre><br></pre><pre>On 12/1/18 10:30 PM, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:</pre><pre><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></pre><pre>A fun revelation: I went to FreeNAS's website to look at the software</pre><pre>and apparently iXsystems sells a "home" server ready to go. So they're</pre><pre>yet another boxed NAS source in addition to being the OS of choice for</pre><pre>DIY. A hybrid of the two options. The case is nice, though, and has</pre><pre>activity/status indicators for each drive, which seems to be something</pre><pre>hard to find with ordinary cases. They're using a fanless motherboard</pre><pre>so there's at least a little noise reduction. Looks like possibly an</pre><pre>Atom as they're quoting only 17 Watts TDP and 80 Watts total when</pre><pre>populated with eight drives. 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