[ale] What are your thoughts on system transparency?

[Leam Hall]

Oh, I agree to an extent. We'll also need COBOL programmers for a while, too. Just not quite so many.

AWS is the cloud market leader. Once your developers figure out the IAM stuff they can use automation to build "servers" quickly. There's a lot that *should* be done better on the servers, but most businesses don't care. Even places that are supposed to care, don't. So the development team puts stuff together, makes sure that it passes test (usually written by the same team, so usually with their own level of skill or lack thereof). As long as it works, no one cares. If something breaks then it's usually due to a bad deployment, so they can either fix it or revert.

There will be times when knowing the server would be useful, but the OS is now a commodity. I'm not saying this because I'm glad it's true, just that it is true.

Leam

On 2/27/24 15:12, David Ritchie via Ale wrote:
> I am personally skeptical of the impending death of system administration.
> 
> After all, what happens when redeploying doesn't fix the issue? You still
> have to have
> someone that understands the architecture to lay hands on it at 2 AM to put
> it right again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> David Ritchie
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:54 PM Leam Hall via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
> 
>> While I personally like it, a lot of sysadmin jobs are going away. It's
>> easy to click a few buttons and spin up a new cloud instance. Why
>> trouble-shoot something when you can just destroy it and start over?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/24 12:02, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I define system transparency as a system or subsystem with accessible
>>> test points and adjustments AND the ability to see its sub components
>>> and how they connect to each other. What are your thoughts on system
>>> transparency?
>>>
>>> Obviously, with my core competency and core business being
>>> troubleshooting, I value transparency hugely. I have a feeling that my
>>> viewpoint isn't universal, given how much software (and hardware and
>>> machines) are not transparent (they're translucent at best, and often
>>> opaque black boxes). Obviously, when the system is operating as
>>> designed and desired, a black box is less intrusive than something with
>>> exposed test points and adjustments and seemingly extraneous messages.
>>>
>>> So what do you think?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>
>>
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