[ale] Maddog’s take on recent Red Hat source distribution changes

[Chuck Payne]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 7:11 PM Leam Hall via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:

> Hey Niel, you made Chuck Payne's day.   :)
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> I enjoyed SLES when I supported it, though I had more of a RH background.
> It was nice that RPMs could often, but not always, be built from the same
> source to work on both OSes. We even did a proof of concept with SLES on a
> IBM Z series.
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> Now if we can just talk OpenELA out of systemd...
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Thanks Leam, not many folks know me at SUSE ( Niel ) know that I've been
beating the drum for openSUSE/SUSE.  I am happy to see SUSE step up, it sad
they are getting praise now, but they made the deal with Microsoft in the
early 2000's to get access to stuff to make SAMBA batter, they called out
for "Sleeping with the Devil", maybe if folks understood that some time you
need to pay to get license, they would have understood that was a good
thing, and that it really helped Linux.

I am kinda quiet for now, because didn't we go thru these 20 years ago with
the Caldera selling to SCO, and wasn't there another time companies came
together to keep Linux open and free. I feel like it did happen.

I worry for another reason since I am on the community side, and not an
employee. I should have seen this when RH change CentOS to a Roll Distro, I
was wondering, because most folks hope help with projects that later become
RH project need a RH like os to develop on, unless they are ok with get the
RH Development account, here are the projects that are affected by losing a
free clone version I don't think a lot people thought about


FreeIPA ==> Red Hat IDM
( with two more project to make it up, Dogtag and Keycloud. )
The Foreman ==> Red Hat Satellite
( pupl, candlepin, katello and another )
AWX ==> Red Hat Ansible Tower
Okd.io ==> Red Hat Open Shift

Are folks going to want to develop for projects that are going into a
closed system?   What do they gain, it is not like they are paid? Unless RH
is going to tell paid employees to join and take over from those that have
been helping out.

I love helping with openSUSE as a community member because I get to
interact with you and the community, and I see how happy and supportive the
community is. I don't know Niel, but most SUSE employees that I tried to
talk too, don't want to interact with the openSUSE Community members. I
have seen that Red Hat folks do not want to interact with the Fedora folks.
I am not sure why, you think they are happy we give up our time and money
to help prompt software that they sell.

I am surprised no one talked about SUSE going private. Is that going to
help?

Anyway, Leam thanks for call, out. I am always happy when SUSE gets loves.

Anyway, I hope openELA does step up. Remember, thought it's not RH,
openSUSE Leap, until it's replace with ALP ( Not Fan ).

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