[ale] [EXTERNAL] Time for this Grey Beard to stir up some stuff

[Chuck Payne]

Byron,

I started with pico, which is the father to nano. I was told that if I
wanted to make it in the world, I have to learn VI/VIM. I was stubborn, I
was like, I will go learn Emac, because I won't be told what to do.

Then I got a job at a company where we supported FreeBSD. I was ok with it.
I used it, but I had access to ports, would install pico. This was
locked down city. No install ports. Lucky, the guy I worked with gave me a
VI cheat sheet, and I was able to do my job.

This I learn that less, can call up vi to do edits. I got so happy. That
sed work magic in VI/VIM. That syntax color was your friend when were
rushing and forgot that '/" tha broker everything in your script.

I get nano easy, but most companies when you work on a system, it's just vi
and you are lucky if you can use vim.

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:09 PM Byron Jeff <byronjeff at clayton.edu> wrote:

> The short answer is yes, it's hard.
>
> Line editing has a completely different mindset than typical visual
> editors. It actually takes training to understand that keystrokes are
> commands and not content. There is a point where one needs to ask is it
> more important to understand the process of using vi/vim, or is it really
> more important to get the configuration done and to keep it moving.
>
> Like you, I wouldn't use anything else. I'm typing this E-mail in vim. But
> for me with nearly 40 years of usage, it's second nature.
>
> I teach my students nano. It cuts 3 weeks of intro to vim out of my course.
> nano works the way they expect an editor to operate and the commands are
> listed on the bottom of the screen. I know it's like riding a trike. But
> when it's more important to get somewhere than to learn to ride the hog,
> nano serves this purpose just fine.
>
> BAJ
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 04:56:31PM -0400, Chuck Payne via Ale wrote:
> >    Good Afternoon my fellow Grey Beards,
> >    So I have noticed that more and more post teaching people to do stuff
> >    with config or anything on the CLI, are using nano.
> >    Why in Gods name would you teach them that. Is VI or VIM so hard. I
> >    gave up on Emacs ( My first editor by the way ) years ago, but if you
> >    worked on FreeBSD, you had vi. If you worked on Solaris, you had vi.
> >    Linux has vi.
> >    I have come to love VIM, I do most of my edits in vim. I enjoy color
> >    syntax in vim.
> >    I get the joke that exit is hard if you don't know how to do :q! or
> >    :wq, but Emacs was so much harder with crtl-x something, something.
> >    Anyway, every time I see nano, I want to scream, "You kids don't know
> >    anything. Get a real editor."
> >    People who don't know the magic of doing things like %norm $T.D, to
> >    delete everything after the period. Or the beauty of using sed to find
> >    and replace. Truly are missing out.
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