[ale] [OT] Church sound equipment

[neal at mnopltd.com]

Ok, you tech people cover your ears.  You aren't prepared for how ugly 
church sound can get.

We HAVE an X32 Rack at our church, with 2 S16 stage boxes.

I'm not sure how well that would be understood in a small country 4 
channel church.

Best to understand people issues first.

We also use a Peavey Aureous 16 channel digital mixer for outside 
services.  These are MUCH easier for people to transition to from an 
Analog world.   QSC Touchmix 16 is also nice.

The X32 Rack using a tablet for UI MIGHT be a reasonable fit.  But first 
I'd have to understand the problems you are hearing.

Digital mixers in general have a lot of features that CAN be useful in 
church, like Gate/Compression Effects to compensate for loud people 
followed by soft people.  And built-in EQ to compensate for less than 
ideal acoustics.   But remember you have to feed, clothe, and educated 
them.

regards,

Neal

On 2021-08-25 09:51, Leam Hall via Ale wrote:
> I should be able to gather more intel tonight; is there anything
> specific I should ask about?
> 
> Leam
> 
> On 8/23/21 5:59 AM, Jerald Sheets wrote:
>> Behringer X32 all the way for mixer. Save “scene” to USB stick and 
>> when people mess with the board all week, you come in on Sunday, put 
>> in the USB stick, load the “scene”, and you’re EXACTLY where you were 
>> the previous week.  It’s THE go-to in church sound for up to 32 
>> channels right now.
>> 
>> Shure wireless for small to medium auditoriums.  Audio Technica bigger 
>> with multiple antennae and multi channel for headsets/handhelds
>> 
>> Generally speaking I personally would never use wireless for singers.  
>> I would use wired SM-58 mics for singers and SM-57 mics for miking 
>> drums with a submix from the stage down to two channels on your main 
>> board.
>> 
>> 
>> Just my 2¢
>> 
>> 
>> —jms
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Leam Hall via Ale <ale at ale.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all thanks! I knew this was the place to ask.  ;)
>>> 
>>> We have a Samson TXM16 mixer that I need to plug into. It's a small 
>>> country church and those of us without hearing issues can hear 
>>> without the sound. When the speaker is near the mic the sound is much 
>>> better, but someone turned the mic sideways and it can't pick up 
>>> much.
>>> 
>>> I need to find out if the preacher prefers a headset or collar mic. 
>>> My ideal would be a four way system; two hand held mics and two 
>>> clip/headsets. That gives us mics for two singers, the preacher, and 
>>> a backup for the preacher. We have a couple wired mics as backups for 
>>> the singers. As in many churches, I'm going to have to justify the 
>>> costs.
>>> 
>>> I really appreciate your insights and expertise.
>>> 
>>> Leam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/22/21 6:14 PM, Neal Rhodes via Ale wrote:
>>>> I have extensive experience with both analog, and transitioning to 
>>>> digital systems, both small outdoors systems and large indoors 
>>>> systems.
>>>> I also lead a bluegrass gospel group, and have helped a contemporary 
>>>> (rock and roll) group.
>>>> And have lead contradance bands, and done sound for same.
>>>> So, a fairly wide exposure and experience.
>>>> I'll say, church sound can be really weird, compared to non-church.
>>>> Happy to help other churches.
>>>> On 2021-08-22 13:08, Leam Hall via Ale wrote:
>>>>> Anyone have hardware skills on church sound board equipment? I need 
>>>>> to
>>>>> make some recommendations but what little I knew is over a decade 
>>>>> old.
>>>>> Contact me off-list, unless the listers want to be involved.  :)