[ale] Alright, it's time to move on from Linode

Sun Jan 10 15:07:48 EST 2016

That would be fun. Demos are always fun! They are even better when they
work!
Would you like a full 45-60 minutes or do you want to split it up with
another person?
On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 15:02 -0500, Justin Caratzas wrote:
> I'm done some interesting work w/ Ansible + Buildbot ->
> (Vagrant/AWS). I wouldn't mind talking about the setup.
> 
> On 1/9/16 8:30 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> > What are the chances of someone doing a talk on integrating cloud
> > and local
> > services? March is open.
> > On Jan 8, 2016 11:20 PM, "Jeremy T. Bouse" 
> > net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On 1/8/2016 7:34 PM, Justin Caratzas wrote:
> > > > On 1/8/16 7:23 PM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote:
> > > > > On 1/8/2016 5:39 PM, James Sumners wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:13 PM, chip <chip.gwyn at gmail.com
> > > > > > chip.gwyn at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >     Take a look at Vultr.com, can do it there.  They have
> > > > > > hosting in
> > > > > >     Atlanta too.  They're basically the economy choopa
> > > > > > stuff.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That's looking rather nice. $5/mo for 1TB of transfer and
> > > > > > plenty of
> > > > > > resources for my needs.
> > > > > Not that I have any horse in the race or anything, but as a
> > > > > cloud
> > > > > service consumer here's a few of my observations...
> > > > > 
> > > > > First off, I have/currently use LInode, AWS and
> > > > > DigitalOcean... Mainly
> > > > > for one simple reason, all 3 providers have good support with
> > > > > SaltStack
> > > > > so I don't actually have to log into their UI to do anything
> > > > > to manage
> > > > > my servers from cradle to grave.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I will say I did look at Vultr and they do have some nice
> > > > > features and
> > > > > it does appear that Apache libcloud [1] does have support for
> > > > > Vultr
> > > > > which would make a SaltStack salt-cloud driver realistically
> > > > > possible
> > > > > though doesn't currently exist. I was really floored by their
> > > > > benchmark
> > > > > comparisons [2] and how much it was apples and oranges. I
> > > > > loved how they
> > > > > compare a 768MB/1CPU Vultr system for $5/month against a
> > > > > 3.75GB/2CPU AWS
> > > > > C3.Large that will run you around $78/month on-demand or
> > > > > between
> > > > > $29-54/month depending on reserved instance pricing or their
> > > > > 2GB/2CPU
> > > > > Vultr system for $20/month against the 3.75GB/1CPU AWS
> > > > > M3.Large with run
> > > > > costs abount $99/month on-demand and
> > > > > $39-71/month reserved instance. Comparing against an AWS T2
> > > > > instance
> > > > > (nano 512MB/1CPU or micro 1GB/1CPU) would have seemed like
> > > > > better
> > > > > candidate for comparison against the 768MB Vultr and runs
> > > > > closer
> > > > > ($5/month t2.nano or $10/month t2.micro on-demand or $2-
> > > > > 4/month t2.nano
> > > > > or $6-7/month t2.micro reserved instance). Likewise a
> > > > > t2.small or
> > > > > t2.medium would have been better comparisons for the 2GB
> > > > > Vultr. It
> > > > > looked like they went out of their way to pick the most
> > > > > expensive option
> > > > > to compare so their numbers looked better.  I found a blog
> > > > > [3] that
> > > > > seemed to give a better comparison in fact.
> > > > Slight disagreement, I believe the t2.* are terrible machines
> > > > to
> > > > benchmark, given the cpu bursting budget. m3/4.mediums would
> > > > have been
> > > > the better comparison, the Cs are a bit nuts w/ pricing.
> > > Yes, the t2 instances are burstable but they are better than the
> > > older
> > > generate t1 instances. If you're comparing cost however the t2
> > > would be
> > > a better comparison as the specs are closer as is the cost. When
> > > you're
> > > comparing a $5 instance to a $78 instance your "Performance per
> > > dollar"
> > > is obviously not going to be comparable. The C3 instances are
> > > more CPU
> > > optimized instances, the M3 and M4 are more general purpose with
> > > balanced CPU & memory with the M3 being SSD-based instances which
> > > is
> > > really the only comparison against DO or Vultr with the minimum
> > > in the
> > > series being the m3.medium which has 1 CPU and 3.75GB RAM and 4GB
> > > SSD.
> > > > How do you like libcloud? I've been meaning to check it out.
> > > I haven't worked with it directly myself. Many of the salt-cloud
> > > provider drivers are written utilizing it as it provides a quick
> > > method
> > > to do so. There are still many drivers that have libcloud support
> > > available but still don't utilize it. In most of the cases the
> > > drivers
> > > were written prior to libcloud support and hasn't been any real
> > > need to
> > > re-write them yet. I'm currently working with another cloud
> > > provider
> > > that doesn't have libcloud support so we're having to do a lot
> > > more of
> > > the work going off API documentation from the provider as the
> > > only API
> > > library we've been able to find for it is not fully up to the
> > > task.
> > > > > Otherwise the pricing between DO and Vultr doesn't appear to
> > > > > really be
> > > > > all that difference comparing plans either. That said I may
> > > > > have to
> > > > > check out Vultr and see if I can't get the salt-cloud driver
> > > > > working.
> > > > > Cost being low enough I wouldn't mind throwing some money at
> > > > > it to get
> > > > > another cloud provider option made available to me. I like
> > > > > having the
> > > > > ability to launch and deploy my hosts to any SaltStack
> > > > > supported cloud
> > > > > provider for a DR/BC perspective and keeps me from being
> > > > > locked into any
> > > > > one provider. Then again I'm not worried about uploading
> > > > > custom ISO
> > > > > images and if I were I'd simply build and deploy those to AWS
> > > > > where I
> > > > > could easily make my own AMI offline and knowing how to work
> > > > > AWS to be
> > > > > cost comparative wouldn't bother me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1. http://libcloud.readthedocs.org/en/latest/compute/drivers/
> > > > > vultr.html
> > > > > 2. https://www.vultr.com/benchmarks/
> > > > > 3. http://blog.due.io/2014/linode-digitalocean-and-vultr-comp
> > > > > arison/
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