[ale] [Fwd: Advertising on ale.org] - OT MS vs Apple vs Linux/UNIX

[Lightner, Jeff]

You miss the point.   People don’t want to have to work with new things.   It is so much easier to complain about them than to continue learning.



From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kinney
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
Subject: Re: [ale] [Fwd: Advertising on ale.org] - OT MS vs Apple vs Linux/UNIX


On Sep 11, 2015 12:09 PM, "Alex Carver" <agcarver+ale at acarver.net<mailto:agcarver%2Bale at acarver.net>> wrote:
>
> On 2015-09-11 09:03, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > Alex Carver <agcarver+ale at acarver.net<mailto:agcarver%2Bale at acarver.net>> writes:
> >
> >> It seems I'm getting one for the price of two.  To have what I need now
> >> I just run one syslogd.  To hvae the same thing under systemd I must run
> >> journald and then run a syslogd on top of it because journald is not
> >> capable of filtering inbound.
> >
> > In my case I just installed rsyslog manually.  Apparently logwatch was
> > not updated to look at journald!!  OOPS!
>
> Yeah, big oops.  My remote systems run rsyslogd with basic filtering to
> send busy logs to a remote machine and the less busy logs go to local
> storage.  The remote system uses syslog-ng to filter into multiple log
> files based on source machine, daemon and keywords.  But if I had
> systemd running then it would insist on having journald running, too,
> yet I'd still need rsyslogd and syslog-ng to do all the filtering.  So
> I'm just running an extra daemon for nothing.

At that point, you would have done the research on the new process and have known that you would need to use remote journald for networked logging or install the latest, patched upstream logwatch.

Really people. Crap changes with every release. Apache 2.2 to 2.4 was a total clusterfsck. Learning SELinux was a total clusterfsck so much so that Debian spawned app-armour to lighten the impact.  If your stuff depends on old code, better get use to being the full support for it as devs like working on new hotness. Really. Who wants to patch NFS when there's gluster and lustre and orangefs and others to code on.
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