[ale] hard drive recorder and hdmi or component

Sun Nov 30 17:02:37 EST 2014

Firewire transmits raw data from tape. Whatever resolution and compression
you have on videocamera that what is going to be in your videofile. What
are you going to do with this file is up to you. So only requirement is
fast hard drive which for nowdays is almost no concern at all.

P.s. in year 1995 in company I was working we were using two scsi drives in
raid 0 to maintain two raw PAL signals in realtime. And we still got
hiccups. What a days ...

On Sunday, November 30, 2014, Narahari 'n' Savitha <savithari at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It has firewire but will it maintain resolution ?
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bugyatl at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> What interface this camcorder have .. I have an old DV camcorder with
>> Firewire and I think Firewire is typical for these cameras.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Narahari 'n' Savitha <
>> savithari at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','savithari at gmail.com');>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here is something that will help me.  I have a Canon camcorder that is
>>> tape based (dont ask why)  It is a HD camcorder with max at 1080i.  I have
>>> some recordings on it.  It has no copyright protection.  I would love to
>>> play from it and record it to a PC.  Except the 225 pounds solution, is
>>> there any solution that folks can think of ?
>>>
>>> -N
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM, JD <jdp at algoloma.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jdp at algoloma.com');>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> http://www.magictv.com/hk/en/index.html
>>>>  The prices are HKD, so don't hvae a heart attack.
>>>>
>>>> It is a big world out there.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/09/2014 07:55 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>>>> > On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 13:31 -0800, Alex Carver wrote:
>>>> >> On 2014-11-09 12:39, Narahari 'n' Savitha wrote:
>>>> >>> Friends:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Need your input on the following scenario.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I need to be able to a Hard Drive (preferably a USB flash drive)
>>>> from a
>>>> >>> set top box.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If it can accept HDMI input it is great.  If not, at least component
>>>> >>> video input is needed so I can connect my set top box.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Where can I purchase a Hard Drive recorder without a PC coming into
>>>> >>> the middle ? What is it called (technical term) ?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >
>>>> >> You can't get HDMI recorders that will work with the copy protection
>>>> >> enabled on STBs or other similar content devices (except for
>>>> cameras).
>>>> >> Your only option is to find a Digital Video Recorder (DVR) that
>>>> accepts
>>>> >> composite or S-Video (I haven't seen any that accept RGB component
>>>> >> video).
>>>> >
>>>> >> Here's an example of an HDMI recorder that's meant for a camera:
>>>> >> http://www.atomos.com/ninja/
>>>> >
>>>> >> Copy protection on your STB will likely not allow it to record
>>>> anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually, that's not totally true and for my uses very rarely true.
>>>> > Depending on your requirements and uses, I have found that very little
>>>> > coming from the STB's are copy protected.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have Uverse STBs and they all allow digital recording from HDMI and
>>>> > component video when the data is not protected.  If it's protected,
>>>> then
>>>> > you have to have the appropriate HDMI device (like a TV and not
>>>> another
>>>> > recorder) for HDMI and, if you're using component video, the component
>>>> > video is reduced to a lower resolution (what they call the "analog
>>>> hole").
>>>> > I'm currently using an Hauppauge HD PVR2 adapter to record 1080p
>>>> component
>>>> > video off my STB, so THAT can be done (but that's to a PC).  I have
>>>> checked
>>>> > the videos and the resulting files are true 1080p 60fps (meaning I
>>>> barely
>>>> > have the horse power to play them back).
>>>> >
>>>> > The only exceptions I've noted on AT&T are some of the high end
>>>> premium
>>>> > channels (few of which we have) and the PPV access.  Those do seem to
>>>> be
>>>> > locked down so you can't record HDMI and component is down-res (to
>>>> 720p...
>>>> > I think).
>>>> >
>>>> > Now that's WITH a PC.  I don't know of any standaone boxes which
>>>> support
>>>> > this but, in theory, any component video record should work just
>>>> fine. HDMI
>>>> > is another story.  I agree that HDMI is highly unlikely to be
>>>> available on
>>>> > a stand alone device and record protected feeds.
>>>> >
>>>> > I haven't tried any of the HDMI PC interfaces yet.  There was a good
>>>> one
>>>> > (the Black Magic devices) that had Linux support if you bought their
>>>> PCI
>>>> > express board but they didn't have drivers for their USB device
>>>> because
>>>> > Linux lacked USB3 bulk transfer (irrc) support in the kernel drivers,
>>>> but
>>>> > that was years ago.  That may have changed.
>>>> >
>>>> > This one claims full 1080p HDMI record and plug and play support in
>>>> > Linux...
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.ems-imaging.com/index.php/usb-3-0-video-capture/vc100dusb-hdmi-capture-dongle-usb3
>>>> >
>>>> >  But, again, that's with a PC and, I know, the OP said without a PC.
>>>> Quite
>>>> > frankly, I've had enough with black boxes and I see no real advantage
>>>> > there.
>>>> >
>>>> > I do also strongly suspect you will not find a "without a PC" device
>>>> that
>>>> > will do this as this would mean the vendor has to do all that work
>>>> and open
>>>> > themselves up to all the legal liability there-in.
>>>> >
>>>> > Just the interfaces alone ARE NOT CHEAP.
>>>> >
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