[ale] NAS enclosure recommendations?

Mon May 13 16:11:56 EDT 2013

I think the only way I would use an external service is to store encrypted
files. Then the key become the issue.

So you can store the key as a qr code, print it and save it in a fire-proof
safe.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Scott Plante <splante at insightsys.com>wrote:

> Ron wrote: "Amazon charges $0.18 / GB / mo for storage."
> Well, they have multiple options. Amazon Glacier is $0.01 / GB / mo to
> store, free upload, and tiered pricing for download to Internet (1st TB/mo
> free, max $0.12/GB/mo).
> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
> Seems like a better option for backups you rarely (or possibly never, if
> you're lucky) have to use.
>
> Scott
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Ron Frazier (ALE)" <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>
> *To: *"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:15:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [ale] NAS enclosure recommendations?
>
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> I had one more thought.  Backup the nas online with something like
> carbonite or Amazon S3 via a Jungledisk client or similar.  I use
> Jungledisk on both Windows and Linux machines.  The client software is a
> little dated, but it works fine for me.  It uses the Amazon S3 servers.  I
> have my data backups run every 6 hours.  If anyone needs help configuring
> that, I could assist.  Amazon charges $0.18 / GB / mo for storage.  That
> could get cost prohibitive depending on the amount of data.  Carbonite's
> normal marketing says all your DATA on your personal hard drive, so system
> files, etc. don't get backed up.  I think they require a different contract
> for each PC at $ 60 / year or so.  Whereas, I backup all my pc's to my
> Amazon S3 volume and just pay for the total data storage.  I think I have
> about 70 GB of storage in use, so my bill is about $ 14 / mo.  If you're
> talking TB of data, cost would go up a good bit.
>
> Another alternative is to do peer to peer syncing with the nas to another
> nas.  A very early but promising (alpha stage) solution is BitTorrent Sync.
>  If you can provide peers you want to sync with and you don't need cloud
> storage, this could work.  Steve Gibson did a podcast on this recently.  I
> haven't tried it but it sounds cool.
>
> http://twit.tv/sn/402
>
> Low bandwidth versions are available here.  Look for episode 402.
>
> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> Experts that Steve likes to quote on the show recommend a 3-2-1 backup
> strategy.  If I'm remembering correctly, you data should exist in 3 places
> - original, backup 1, backup 2.  It should be on 2 different mediums
> preferably.  And 1 copy should be off site.
>
> By the way, DROBO appears to be a nice, but not cheap plug and play NAS
> solution.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> Doug Hall <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >This is a pro-sumer application. She has written a book, and has a blog
> >for
> >promoting that and other pursuits. She's got thousands of high res
> >photos,
> >and is getting into video too, for her blog. Add to this, backup space
> >for
> >her computers - some of which can be alleviated, if she's not moving
> >files
> >between computers all the time. So, she does need a fair amount of
> >storage. Their Apple Time Capsule is full, and quite frankly -
> >inadequate.
> >
> >This NAS won't be directly connected to a computer, but I was thinking
> >that
> >it would be a good idea to have that option. They've got an iMac and a
> >MacBook Pro, so Firewire or Thunderbolt would actually be better than
> >eSata. The NAS will probably be situated in a closet, provided there's
> >enough ventilation. I was hoping to use FreeNAS and ZFS, for worry-free
> >storage.
> >
> >While I'm thinking about it, how are upgrades handled? Is it a matter
> >of
> >pulling in updates, like with Ubuntu, or do you download a package and
> >replace the whole OS? I'm not that familiar with FreeBSD. Is there a
> >learning curve I should be concerned about?
> >
> >Thanks guys!
> >
> >
> >On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
> >atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> This sounds like a consumer application so the following security
> >issues
> >> may not be too pressing.  However, depending on the situation,
> >physical
> >> security may be an issue; from kids (ie teenagers that want to play
> >> everything or toddlers that want to touch everything), pets,
> >visitors,
> >> contractors, etc.
> >>
> >> You may want a case where access to the physical ports and drives is
> >> lockable.  A closet or cabinet would also work with proper
> >ventilation.
> >>
> >> Also, while I haven't had experience with the high speed port options
> >> myself, I heard an interesting tidbit on the Security Now podcast.
> >>  Apparently both firewire and thunderbolt are dma access systems.
> >That
> >> means that anything plugged into one of those ports may be able to
> >directly
> >> access and alter system memory, with the potential of inserting
> >malware or
> >> reading critical data.  USB of any type does not have that problem.
> >I
> >> don't know about sata / esata.
> >>
> >> Also, I've heard that esata connectors are notorious for being
> >finicky and
> >> getting unplugged.
> >>
> >> Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JD <jdp at algoloma.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I use an external array from these guys: http://www.addonics.com/
> >> >attached to a normal Core i5 PC, but mine is only 4 bay. 6+ yrs,
> >ever
> >> >any issues
> >> >besides a loose SATA cable that was my fault.
> >> >
> >> >I'd avoid USB3 as the primary connector. IME, it has queuing issues.
> >Of
> >> >course,
> >> >those could be due to the USB3 card or driver used. I've never had
> >that
> >> >issue
> >> >with eSATA-MP.
> >> >
> >> >For a business, things get harder due to all the choices.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 05/11/2013 01:50 AM, Doug Hall wrote:
> >> >> I want to build a NAS for a friend. I need a five-bay enclosure.
> >It
> >> >must have a
> >> >> 64-bit CPU and allow me to add up to 16GB of memory. It'll be
> >using
> >> >ZFS, which
> >> >> performs better with lots of memory. I'll probably need USB3,
> >eSata
> >> >and dual
> >> >> ethernet ports. A low power unit would be nice.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone know of and can recommend any such enclosures? The ones I'm
> >> >seeing appear
> >> >> to already be set up to run some proprietary system, but don't
> >even
> >> >mention
> >> >> memory capacities or CPU specs. I want to use FreeNAS, of course.
> >> >Thanks for any
> >> >> suggestions.
>
>
>
>
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