[ale] OT: check light diagnostic tool

Scott Castaline skotchman at gmail.com
Thu Jun 13 15:37:20 EDT 2013 

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The interesting thing is that (I was told this, unable to confirm it
100%), Ford factory employees who bought the Mazda versions fo Ford
vehicles could not park close to the plant in the employee parking
lot. They had to park at the farthest end of the lot. Personally
that's the only way I would buy a Ford product as the Mazda had a
better warranty and you paid less for it.


On 06/13/2013 03:10 PM, Scott Plante wrote:
> According to Wikipedia 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda#Partnership_with_Ford_Motor_Company>:
>
>  From 1979 to 2010, Mazda had a partnership with the Ford Motor 
> Company <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company>, who 
> acquired a 7% stake in 1979 and by 1996, owned 33.3% of Mazda.
> Under the administration of Alan Mulally 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Mulally>, Ford gradually 
> divested its stake in Mazda from 2008 to 2010, with Ford currently 
> holding 3% of Mazda stock and severing production as well as 
> development ties.
> 
> 
> I love my '99 Miata, which replaced my '93 Miata! :-) 
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> 
*From: *"Jay Lozier" <jslozier at gmail.com>
> *To: *ale at ale.org *Sent: *Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:25:53 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [ale] OT: check light diagnostic tool
> 
> Doesn't Ford have an ownership stake in Mazda?
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:14:33 -0400, Boris Borisov
> <bugyatl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mazda and Ford are still together. Their cars share same platform
> in similar class cars. Althout Mazda tends to give their cars a
> bit sportier nature than Ford's.
> 
> On Friday, June 14, 2013, Scott Castaline <skotchman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:skotchman at gmail.com>> wrote: In the early to mid 90's,
> Mazda had a SUV I think it was called Navahoe that was actually a
> re-branded Ford Exploder. My 2nd Mazda PU (B2300) would suddenly
> accelerate (sound familiar?) when I was braking to stop. The first
> time it happened I was pulling up to a toll plaza and didn't fully
> realize what was happening almost hit the car in front of me.
> Several people were having similar problems in both Ford and Mazda.
> Ford quietly fixed their own labeled trucks and denied that what
> was happening on the Mazda version had anything to do with the 
> Ford. Mazda engineers even found the bad code in the system which
> was Ford and not Mazda.
> 
> Back in 93 Ford had new small car that was a sporty design I can't 
> remember the name of it, but it was a fairly fast car. Mazda also
> had re-branded this car and had their version of it. The Mazda
> version had a different body but everything under the body was
> Ford. The first year of this car (I think 91) the Mazda version had
> a unique tilt steering wheel where the entire instrument panel
> would tilt so that all gauges were visible at all times. They
> stopped after 2 years though, not sure why. It seemed to work well
> at least in the one a friend owned who let me drive it.
> 
> 
> On 06/13/2013 05:25 AM, Michael Trausch wrote:
>>>> Seriously? I had no idea Mazda and ford were bedded at any
>>>> point in the past... Well, if that's the case, have fun.
>>>> Everyone I know with 90s era Rangers and derivatives have
>>>> some serious issues. Lighting problems, computer problems...
>>>> Don't get me started on the dome light and speed sensor combo
>>>> on a single circuit...
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2013 11:17 PM, "Scott Castaline"
>>>> <skotchman at gmail.com
>> <mailto:skotchman at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:skotchman at gmail.com <mailto:skotchman at gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You may want to check what Ford Ranger owners are
>>>> experiencing as the B series Mazadas are actually Ford
>>>> Rangers. I had 3 of them in the mid 90's and there were
>>>> intermittent computer related problems with them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 06/12/2013 01:53 PM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>>>>> Good stuff there. 109k miles. Not a lot for a 1999, but
>>>>> good many miles.
>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I have noticed just over the past few days is
>>>>> engine noise in the radio. Not seen that before.
>>>> 
>>>>> -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Greg Clifton
>>>>> <gccfof5 at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com>>
>>>>> <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> I have not seen a "check gauge" light, but for a vehicle
>>>>>> of that age, I would suspect a failing sensor. However,
>>>>>> it would be a good idea to clean your battery terminals
>>>>>> if you haven't done that in a while. All manner of
>>>>>> spurious computer codes can be generated when the power
>>>>>> level (generally due to marginal ground connections since
>>>>>> US cars are pretty much all NEGATIVE ground systems).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If that is of no help, sensors that might be suspect
>>>>>> would be Coolant Temp, MAF or AMP and Intake Air Temp
>>>>>> sensor depending on what type of air metering system your
>>>>>> vehicle has. It could also be an oil pressure sensor, on
>>>>>> some cars a failure of this sensor will kill the spark
>>>>>> and cause driveability  issues.  One more that just
>>>>>> occurred to me is the possibility of a faulty fuel
>>>>>> pressure sensor (often part of the fuel pump assembly in 
>>>>>> the tank, which could also be failing with this age
>>>>>> vehicle, depending on the mileage). I wouldn't suspect
>>>>>> the knock sensors, however a look at the plugs and the
>>>>>> spark wires (assuming you don't have coil on plug) might
>>>>>> be in order.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has you MPG changed since the light has started coming
>>>>>> on? In my experience the most common causes of check
>>>>>> engine lights being illuminated are loose gas cap, other
>>>>>> vacuum leak, clogged EGR pipe/valve and O2 sensor
>>>>>> [heater] failure (roughly but not absolutely in that
>>>>>> order). But none of these are "gauged" sensors so I don't
>>>>>> see how they could be involved in your case.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) 
>>>>>> <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>
>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>
>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From other comments, it sounds like the check gauge
>>>>>> light (never heard of that) is different from check
>>>>>> engine, so this may not be relevant to you.  For what
>>>>>> it's worth, I had an intermittent check engine light on a
>>>>>> 2002 toyota camry that I ultimately traded.  It went on
>>>>>> and off for years with sometimes months between cycles.
>>>>>> We managed to read a scan code on it while it was on once
>>>>>> and the mechanic said the catalytic converter was on the
>>>>>> verge of failure. It would do slightly better or worse
>>>>>> depending on drive time, ambient conditions, and fuel
>>>>>> characteristics (I assume).  I managed to get the light
>>>>>> to go off a couple of times with a fuel additive.  O2 
>>>>>> sensors and mass air flow sensors can also cause problems
>>>>>> like this.  You probably already know it, but you cannot
>>>>>> pass an emissions test if such a light is on.  If I
>>>>>> remember correctly, and what people may not know, is that
>>>>>> an emission test result is valid for up to 1 year.  So,
>>>>>> you can get the emissions tested when the li! ght is off,
>>>>>> and then go use that months later to buy your tag.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Geoffrey Myers <lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com>
>>>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com>
>>>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, it is for a 1999 Mazda pickup. Really would like 
>>>>>>> immediate results, so don't want to wait for over
>>>>>>> night shipping. Took it by autozone a while back, but
>>>>>>> did not show anything. Also, it
>>>>>> doesn't stay
>>>>>>> on. Has been blinking on and off for a couple of
>>>>>>> months. Just
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> it has been coming on more regularly, hence the
>>>>>>> inquiry. I'll
>>>>>> check my
>>>>>>> local auto parts stores.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM, neal <neal at mnopltd.com
>> <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>
>>>> <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>>
>>>>>> <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>
>> <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you need immediate results, as noted Autozone will
>>>>>>>> do for free.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Note that stock ODBC readers will NOT find all 
>>>>>>>> manufacturer
>>>>>> data, at
>>>>>>> least for Toyota and Mercedes there is a wealth of data
>>>>>>> ODBC cannot access - only dealer computers can.     In
>>>>>>> many cases the DTC code is only an approximation of
>>>>>>> what is really going on.  You can experiment with
>>>>>>> crowd-sourcing your DTC code against what others have
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>> to fix,
>>>>>>> but, unless it's cheap to try, you might be better off 
>>>>>>> getting the dealer to read the real codes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Samsung tablet
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Phil Turmel <philip at turmel.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:philip at turmel.org>
>> <mailto:philip at turmel.org <mailto:philip at turmel.org>>
>>>> <mailto:philip at turmel.org <mailto:philip at turmel.org>
>> <mailto:philip at turmel.org <mailto:philip at turmel.org>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote: On 06/12/2013 09:48 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Looking for recommendations. Can one be purchased 
>>>>>>>>> locally?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've been extremely happy with a simple "ELM-327" 
>>>>>>>> bluetooth dongle
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> "Torque Pro" on my android phone.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>> 
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