[ale] Making the argument for many scripts vs one big one.

Wed Jul 24 15:09:00 EDT 2013

feet first or head first, at some point they just have to jump in. Little
files are easier for nubes to follow.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM, leam hall <leamhall at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I used to have the %POST do a wget and grab the latest scripts and
> then run them. The issue I'm trying to also deal with is to be able to run
> a select subset of the scripts ad hoc.
>
> One big driver is to make it easier for others to start adding code. One
> script to rule them all makes it a bit more intimidating.
>
> Leam
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah. Now I understand what you're doing. In a prior incarnation, we did
>> the DoD security dance with a single script that ran just post install
>> (kickstart called it in %POST) to do the lockdown. The script had comments
>> for each lockdown and a test was run for each to determine if it was
>> needed. Post lock tests were done and all pre and post tests were logged to
>> prove it was done. As this was done before a human touched the machine, the
>> powers that be were happy.
>>
>> So, zillion scriptlets can be merged into monolithic script and PHBs are
>> happy.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM, leam hall <leamhall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In this case it's less than a couple hundred Bash scripts. Each script
>>> deals with a specific task in DoD directives. Thus I can pull the ones our
>>> site needs and document why the others won't work.
>>>
>>> Or I can bang my head into my desk why duplicating what's already been
>>> done...
>>>
>>> Leam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Michael B. Trausch <mbt at naunetcorp.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  On 07/24/2013 01:50 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That would depend, to me at least, on whether the final deployment is
>>>> an internal or external tool. Internal gets the single blob. External gets
>>>> a zillion files. The logic is to make it confusing to the external (l)user
>>>> so they won't tinker with things. Bonus points if the zillion files all
>>>> look like obfuscated perl :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hrm... we need a minification tool for Bash.
>>>>
>>>> Perl, obviously, doesn't need one.  Just remove the whitespace, it's
>>>> ugly and cryptic all by itself.  :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw a system once that had a shell application that called a zillion
>>>> files. The customer wanted the development team to go away but was worried
>>>> about what all the application did. So I went over it with a fine tooth
>>>> comb. Basically, the application consisted of 4 or 5 main script files that
>>>> each would call 20-30 of the crap files to do things like count lines and
>>>> characters but then dump the results without ever using them. So there was
>>>> 150-200 scripts that were culled from the process after some careful
>>>> refactoring in the 5 main ones. Then I ran into funny issues that were sort
>>>> of like race conditions but not quite. The zillion crap scripts were
>>>> created to slow down the main scripts so it was closer to the original
>>>> system that ran at 300MHz instead of the now 1.5 GHz. It was using many
>>>> serial ports to get data from lab systems. I replaced the lot with a few
>>>> sleep calls to allow the serial port data to accumulate and the developers
>>>> were dumped.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> A tool like Closure would actually be really neat for things like bash,
>>>> python, perl, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not Python, since Python actually relies on whitespace for
>>>> semantics.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, if you have a gazillion things that can cause deadlocks or
>>>> have race conditions, you absolutely want things in a single program, even
>>>> if the work is itself spread over different modules.  Sounds like the
>>>> perfect thing for C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     — Mike
>>>>
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