[ale] Old host you want to unload?

Mon Jul 15 13:19:49 EDT 2013

Scott,

If Ron doesn't take you up on that, I like to see I can get it. I do a
lot work with openSUSE, I been looking for a server that I can run it
on to show off.

Pup

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scott Castaline <skotchman at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I've got an old Dell Poweredge 1400 series server. It only has one of
> two possible CPU modules, and 512MB. It also has 3 SCSI Wide HDDs. (It
> did have 4 but one died, can't find track 0 on powerup, you can hear
> the constant recal going on with that drive.) It hasn't been powered
> up in a while, you're welcome to come over and check it out, if it
> interests you. I live in the Lawrenceville area.
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> Scott C
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> On 07/15/2013 10:14 AM, Jerald Sheets wrote:
>> Ok, I'm at a desk and not on a phone.
>>
>>
>> Let's sort of set the stage, if you will, to clarify a few things.
>>
>> First, I've raised two boys into their 20's and done this all
>> before. Second, I've got a metric crapload of snort processing
>> scripts I've written that watch for all manner of icky URL matches
>> on "requested sites" and also on Squid's logs to do the same.  I
>> took the stance with the boys of "trust but verify" which is a very
>> "apple-storeish" thing to do.  I had transgressions once by each
>> boy that got addressed personally and quietly and have managed
>> (aside from the occasional pop-up storm) to keep them "porn free"
>> if you will as long as they've been under my roof. Anything they've
>> managed outside of the house is beyond the scope of my purview, of
>> course, but they pay for their own phones now… I can't "control"
>> their intake forever.
>>
>> Now I'm on "kids 2.0" with my second wife, and they're all girls
>> and at ages 3, 6, and 10.  The 10 year old has an internet-capable
>> device,  so, I'm putting the same system back in place with the
>> same scripts and logging and automated emails and such.  However,
>> their mother wants the added protection of content filtering for a
>> couple of years until "aunt flo" arrives and she can halve "talk
>> 1.0" with her, but also wanting to know /what /was requested and by
>> what mechanism.  Ipcop to the rescue again…you can say "no" via
>> automated system, but it's considerably more important to know what
>> is being asked for and how.  Was it typed in? Why is the child
>> interested in that particular topic?  (etc. etc.)
>>
>> Also, having all these folks on the network at home while "mom &
>> dad" work from home a lot requires packet-shaping of the Xbox and
>> Rou down and web traffic/SSH up.  Also, when on the road, I need to
>> be able to VPN into my private network from anywhere to do
>> something even so small as printing a doc for my wife all the way
>> to rooting around my internal net for various reasons.  (i.e., you
>> can't hit the time machine from the outside)
>>
>> So, a smallish box with modest means to run a couple hundred meg
>> distro for firewalling seemed to be the way to go for us… that's
>> why I asked.
>>
>>
>> TL;DR.  (I've done this before.. I just need hardware)
>>
>> Something else on the topic…. I re-read and it appeared I was
>> *only* asking for "free" stuff… I'm not. If you've got something
>> hogging space and you're under a "nag order" to get rid of it,
>> please do think of me first.  And if it requires a few bucks,
>> that's good too.  I just wanted to work with you guys who may need
>> a few bucks first before giving that cash to $company making cheap
>> crap in China.  I'd rather buy the cheap crap from you instead.
>> XD
>>
>>
>> --j
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 8:52 AM, Tom Freeman
>> <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net <mailto:tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please forgive the chime in - but...
>>>
>>> +1  with an observation of sorts
>>>
>>> A parent still needs to monitor sufficiently to catch a usuable
>>> per centage (what ever that value is) to ensure that the
>>> conversation takes place. (I caught a daughter sneaking a viewing
>>> of "Flesh Gordon" from a copy her late mother gave me. _That_ was
>>> an awkward conversation!)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>
>>>> In short: don't rely on technology as a role model stand-in for
>>>> children. I have exactly 0 filters on the feed at my house.
>>>> none. waste of time. Kids will find what interests them. If
>>>> it's porn, you're overdue for "the talk" and that one will go
>>>> on for the next several years. If the adult is not capable of
>>>> sitting down and watching what they are and rationally
>>>> explaining what is problematic about it, the child will begin
>>>> to disregard the adult as an authority figure and view them as
>>>> just another knee-jerker wearing blinders. Most kids are
>>>> wanting to find stuff that's not porn and other "bad stuff".
>>>> Most kids get embarrassed or grossed out when it accidentally
>>>> crosses the screen on an errant mouse click. It's far more
>>>> important to have them understanding that they will not be
>>>> punished the occasional mistake but will be expected to learn
>>>> from them. Teach them the "back" button in both mouse and
>>>> keystrokes :-) Ron brought up a bigger issue that can't be
>>>> filtered with current tools: what the kids actually say online
>>>> to each other. Between 12-13 and about 19-20, girls are vile,
>>>> horrid creatures to other girls and boys are brain-damaged
>>>> monsters with illusions of invincibility. A useful tool would
>>>> be a screen mirror with recording so the nasty things they say
>>>> to each other can be replayed, discussed, and used as reasons
>>>> why privilege A is being withheld. I'm thinking of a chat
>>>> mirroring tool or email copy process. It will only get to be
>>>> used once then they will change methods (if they are smart).
>>>> But that level of guidance, no matter what _they_ think, would
>>>> benefit them greatly learning how to relate with others.
>>>> Besides, once the hormones kick in, they will find a way to
>>>> find out about it. If the default view at home is "NO! BAD!",
>>>> they will look elsewhere for answers unless they are totally
>>>> dominated by helicopter parents. Most commercial porn is crap
>>>> with subtle and not so subtle overtone of violence against
>>>> women as themes. It's a challenge to find something that can
>>>> serve as guidance for humans really relate in bed. And
>>>> intelligent bed banging is far better than stupid gun banging
>>>> in the street. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Ron Frazier
>>>> (ALE) <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>>>> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote: Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Since I brought up OpenDNS, even though I'm a user and a fan,
>>>> I should point out some limitations.  About 10%, as a rough
>>>> guestimate, of the ugly stuff will sneak through the filter.
>>>> The purveyers of junk bring up new sites too fast for
>>>> everything to be in the database.  Do not assume your kids will
>>>> be totally prevented from getting to any and all "insert bad
>>>> category" stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if your kid knows how to do any of the following, he /
>>>> she can bypass the filter: choose an alternate dns server on
>>>> the pc, use a proxy / anonymizer (although you can filter that
>>>> category), browse by ip alone without dns, start up a vpn,
>>>> take their laptop / smartphone to a friend's house or hotspot
>>>> or step parent's house.  Anything that bypasses the use of the
>>>> OpenDNS servers or changes their public ip bypasses the filter.
>>>> I have wished in the past that I could tie the filter to a
>>>> specific pc, but OpenDNS does not provide that as far as I
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer provides some built in content filtering
>>>> options, which can tie into things like NetNanny (I think),
>>>> but I've never used it.  Firefox doesn't provide any of that
>>>> natively that I'm aware of, but there may be plugins for it.
>>>>
>>>> I have links to a couple of Christian sites related these
>>>> topics I could try to dig up if anyone wants.
>>>>
>>>> Note that, even if they cannot easily access "uglyjunk.com
>>>> <http://uglyjunk.com>" because of OpenDNS, they can see links
>>>> to it in google and bing, and in the latter case, with live
>>>> video coming though bing.  The child's pc need not ever visit
>>>> "uglyjunk.com <http://uglyjunk.com>" to see some of its
>>>> content, albeit with smaller pictures.
>>>>
>>>> You can make things harder to bypass by putting the OpenDNS
>>>> servers in your router settings.  Then, any pc which just uses
>>>> basic dhcp to get it's ip and dns will pick that up from the
>>>> router.  But, that does not prevent the pc from querying
>>>> another dns server directly if it wants to.  If the pc can get
>>>> an ip for "uglyjunk.com <http://uglyjunk.com>", it can still
>>>> visit the site.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard that you can get hosts files of preconfigured
>>>> blacklist sites, then the computer is just directed to nowhere
>>>> when they try to get those sites, before even querying the dns.
>>>>  I've never used that though.
>>>>
>>>> The service also depends on linking your public ip to your
>>>> account.  That's why going to a hotspot bypasses the filter.
>>>> They'll have a different public ip which is not linked to your
>>>> account.  Even if the pc was set to use the OpenDNS servers,
>>>> your personal filter settings would not be in affect.  You
>>>> would still get phishing protection though.
>>>>
>>>> Since your public ip is subject to change periodically when
>>>> your cable / dsl modem resets, you need to run a small utility,
>>>> which I run in Windows, to link your current public ip with
>>>> your account and filter settings.  You'll have to check on
>>>> whether they have a linux utility, but they probably do.  When
>>>> your ip changes, if the utility runs, the OpenDNS servers get
>>>> set to respond to the new ip.  If your ip setting utility
>>>> doesn't run for a few days, then your filters won't be in
>>>> affect for a few days if your ip has changed.
>>>>
>>>> I do NOT recommend running the ip setting utility on the
>>>> child's computer.  Here's why.  Let's say you did that.  They
>>>> go to starbucks.  They login, then the ip utility links
>>>> STARBUCKS public ip to YOUR filter account.  Your child would
>>>> then be subject to your filters, but so would EVERYONE ELSE in
>>>> starbucks.  That might cause some problems.  This would remain
>>>> in effect until your child logged into another network and got
>>>> another public ip.
>>>>
>>>> Because ip's change, the system occasionally gets confused as
>>>> to which account owns which ip.  This is rare, but, for
>>>> example, let's say there is a disruption at the isp and all the
>>>> cable modems get reset.  You may end up with what was someone
>>>> else's public ip and they may end up with yours.  It may take a
>>>> little while for the ip setting utilities to set everything
>>>> straight. So, the possibility does exist that they could see
>>>> stuff in their account logs on OpenDNS that came from you and
>>>> you could see theirs.
>>>>
>>>> One other slight disadvantage of the OpenDNS system is that
>>>> all pc's in the house with the same public ip will have the
>>>> same filters.  You could always active a vpn or proxy on your
>>>> own pc though and bypass your own filter.
>>>>
>>>> Despite these limitations, I found the service extremely
>>>> useful and wouldn't want to be without it with a child in the
>>>> house. You could gang other technologies on top of this, if you
>>>> wish. I still have it active, even though my child has moved
>>>> out, to filter out rubbish that I might hit accidentally.
>>>>
>>>> This is slightly off topic to the original question, but I'd
>>>> consider a certain amount of monitoring of my kid's
>>>> communications online.  Chat, email, facebook, whatever.  How
>>>> much is up to you.  I'd also set rules on who it was
>>>> appropriate to communicate with.  Again, up to personal
>>>> discretion.  You can get books about how to deal with these
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> On 7/14/2013 8:09 PM, Doug Hall wrote: 27" iMac is sweet. But I
>>>> agree with Ron. There's no reason to buy ANYTHING if you use
>>>> OpenDNS to filter content. I'm very satisfied with the free
>>>> service. Okay, maybe paranoia is a reason. I wouldn't be
>>>> surprised to know that OpenDNS is releasing records to the NSA.
>>>> But then again, so could your current ISP. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013
>>>> at 5:03 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:questy at gmail.com>> wrote: I do.  It's a slamming 27"
>>>> iMac.  :)
>>>>
>>>> Jerald Sheets Sent from my iPhone5 On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:20
>>>> PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jerald, you're missing the entire point: Upgrade _your_ machine
>>>> and give the old one to the young-uns. Put squid-guard on it
>>>> and provide a pile of bookmarks they are interested in. :-)
>>>> House Rule: Dad ALWAYS has the best hardware unless someone
>>>> else is paying for it. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Neal
>>>> Rhodes <neal at mnopltd.com <mailto:neal at mnopltd.com>> wrote: I
>>>> would think you could look for off-lease "no-os" refurb units
>>>> on TigerDirect for maybe $100.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:22 -0400, Jerald Sheets wrote: Hi
>>>> all. I've come to the point where my next generation o little
>>>> ones will be going online, and I'm going to build me a content
>>>> filtering firewall. (Ipcop) Thing is, I don't have any old
>>>> hardware and need to get something, but anyth ing I would buy
>>>> in a store would be overkill. I'm looking for something P3 or
>>>> later, mid tower with one drive bay is fine and 4-8G of memory.
>>>> Anyone have anything like that you'd like to unload? Jerald
>>>> Sheets Sent from my iPhone5
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