[ale] OT CFL cleanup / LED light bulbs starting to become affordable

Wed Jul 3 12:52:53 EDT 2013

home depot will take CFL for disposal. and long tube FL as well.

I have a few LEDs in place now. Light is nice. We phased out (almost) all
tungesten filament bulbs 10+ years ago. Hold out is a pair of fixtures that
use odd size bulbs with no other replacement types. Plan to replace those
fixtures soon.

rules to force phase out of old bulbs were based on decent science. Yes
they are cheap but the CFL bulbs save they own cost in 2 years of power (I
think the average 60W bulbs is the basis - bigger saves faster). for the
same reason we have laws that make us heathen drive on the right side of
the road instead of total chaos. They may be gooberment. They may be
idiots. But they are OUR gooberment idiots.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Jay Lozier <jslozier at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In a previous job I got very familiar with the EPA rules which lowered my
> already low opinion of the EPA. One problem is that the disposal of the CFL
> bulbs should be at a hazardous waste facility certified to handle mercury
> not at a non-hazardous sanitary landfill. Technically you could be charged
> with a federal felony if you improperly dispose a hazardous waste - I am
> not sure if there are any minimum quantity.
>
> While incandescent bulbs used more energy they were non-hazardous waste
> when they burnt out.
>
> Also, CFL can aggravate certain medical problems which incandescent bulbs
> never did.
>
> Often overlooked is the manufacturing process for CFL and LED bulbs may be
> more damaging to the environment than for incandescent bulbs even with the
> higher energy consumption.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:16:18 -0400, Ron Frazier (ALE) <atllinuxenthinfo@**
> techstarship.com <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> Just wanted to drop a note about some LED light bulbs I've seen recently.
>>  As you may know, the manufacture of incandescent light bulbs is being
>> phased out.  The best current alternative is the compact fluorescent (CFL).
>>  These work well, and use about 1/4 the energy of an incandescent.  The
>> problem is that they have toxic mercury.  If you break one, you have to
>> take special steps to avoid exposure to mercury or mercury vapor.
>>
>> You can find info here:
>>
>> http://www2.epa.gov/cfl
>>
>> I had the (not) fun of experiencing the cleanup procedure the other day.
>>  I dropped one of these and it shattered.  I put on vinyl gloves and
>> removed every fragment I could find.  I then wiped the carpet with a damp
>> paper towel.  I then vacuumed, even though the epa would rather you not,
>> since almost all the residue was gone and I knew there were shards of glass
>> in the carpet.  I then threw the vacuum bag away (it needed it anyway).
>>  Finally, I ran the whole house attic fan to ventilate the house for 1/2
>> hour.  They recommend venting for several hours if practical.  What a pain.
>>
>> There are no really good alternatives.  However, LED light bulbs are
>> starting to become affordable.  I saw an ad from newegg that said they have
>> 30W equivalent bulbs in a 6 pack for about $ 5 ea.  Also, I was surprised
>> to find that there are some interesting alternatives now appearing at home
>> depot and lowes.  Home depot has two products from CREE.  One is a 40W
>> equivalent bulb for $ 10 and a 60W equivalent for $ 15.  I'm waiting for
>> affordable 100 W equivalents, but they're still about $ 45.  So, we're
>> getting there.  I moved to all CFL a couple of years ago.  I'm not quite
>> ready to jump to LED yet, but maybe the prices will keep dropping.
>>
>> If you decide to buy some of these, there are at least three things you
>> need to consider other than cost.  First is size.  Some of these are longer
>> and / or wider than standard bulbs.  Second, are they omnidirectional and
>> do they cast shadows?  Some bulbs have part of the bulb structure obscuring
>> the bulb and would cast shadows in certain areas.  Third, are they
>> dimmable?  Dimmability is a big advantage that incandescents have that most
>> fluorescents don't.  Some of the new LED's are dimmable.  But, look at the
>> specs.  Some of them require new advanced dimmers.  The CREE ones I
>> mentioned, however, are dimmable with conventional old style dimmers.
>>
>> Also, the manufacturers like to play games with longevity ratings.  One
>> will say 10 years, another 20 years, etc.  This is useless.  You have to
>> find how many hours per day they're figuring.  Usually, it's 3, sometimes
>> 6, etc.  The Philips CFL's I just bought are rated at 11 years, at 3 hr /
>> day.  (The bulbs in my living room and work area run much more than 3 hr /
>> day.)  If you do the math, that works out to 12,000 hours.  The cheaper
>> CFL's may be rated only for 8,000 or 10,000 hours.  A LED should last
>> 20,000 hours or more.  There are 8760 hours / year, so if you're running a
>> bulb 12 - 24 hours / day, expect lots fewer days out of it.
>>
>> Home depot will recycle CFL's for you.  Lowes might but I don't know.  I
>> don't know of any easy way to recycle bigger circular or straight
>> fluorescent tubes.  I wish I did, as there are a few fixtures in my house
>> that use these.
>>
>> Has anyone else had experience with the new LED bulbs?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
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