[ale] anybody doing android development and how?

Tue Feb 19 13:30:07 EST 2013

Hi Charles,

You're probably right.  The keyboard might be the best programming interface to the computer that we have, but I'm very convinced that there has to be a potentially better way for us to get design ideas into the machine.  Maybe, if humanity and computers are still around in 1000 years, we'll have thought controlled keyboards or something.  For all our advancements, I still think we're in the programming dark ages.

If that advance came about within the next 20 years, I'd be OK with it.

Sincerely,

Ron

Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:

>Pfaugh. The command line is still the quickest and most flexible way to
>write software or solve problems.  I have had experiences with several
>'graphical' computer languages -- most recently FME, (
>http://www.safe.com/)  and Pentaho (
>http://www.pentaho.com/  ).  Both of these are boxes-and-strings
>'languages' which work well for toy problems but have difficulty
>scaling to
>actual production.  Both rely heavily on property lists in their
>various
>nodes, which means that you're still 'typing tens of thousands of
>cryptic
>characters and strings into a keyboard' .  But in those systems you
>can't
>actually manipulate that text easily, 'cause it's scattered inside a
>complicated interface which hides it from you.
>
>The great advantage of a simple interface which allows you to type
>words in
>directly is that nobody has made decisions for you about the problems
>you're trying to solve.  You get complete control of the machine to
>express
>*your* ideas about how your solution is going to look and what you're
>trying to do.  In  40 years of general use, the Unix shell environment
>has
>proven that Kernighan, Thompson, and Ritchie got a lot of stuff right. 
>The
>text shell with small tools which do simple things and a generalized
>way to
>hook them together has persisted from the 3B2 right through to the
>latest
>Smartphones.
>
>-- CHS
>
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:45 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
>atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thanks for the info.  I'm going to look into those resources when I
>can.
>>  It's good to know that there are some alternatives out there to the
>Java /
>> Eclipse route.
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thanks to the others who've responded to this thread.  I'll have to
>be
>> reviewing the other posts and responding to some as the week
>progresses.
>>
>> I wanted to pass along the following.  Here are two AppInventor books
>that
>> look pretty cool.  It looks like you can do some pretty complex
>development
>> with it after all.
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.amazon.com/App-Inventor-Create-Your-Android/dp/1449397484/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361226155&sr=1-1
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.amazon.com/App-Inventor-Android-Experience-Required/dp/1119991331/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361216050&sr=8-1
>>
>> I bought the first book, which is by O'Reilly.  It looks very cool. 
>It
>> has some neat tutorial projects you can do.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether AppInventor has all the same features now that
>Google
>> abandoned it.  MIT is running it now.  I haven't done any research
>other
>> than looking at these books.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I think programming should be done this way.
>>  Visually.  Not by typing tens of thousands of cryptic characters and
>> strings into a keyboard.  And, I'm a pretty good typist.
>>
>> I'm reminded of the neat scene in the Star Trek IV movie where Scotty
>and
>> Bones are in the plastics factory and Scotty wants to enter a
>chemical
>> formula into an old Mac computer.  He picks up the mouse and starts
>> speaking to it.  The manager of the plant says "Just use the
>keyboard."
>>  Scotty says "A keyboard, how quaint."
>>
>> I'm afraid I have to agree.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> David Tomaschik <david at systemoverlord.com> wrote:
>>
>> >There's "Scripting Layer For Android, or SL4A":
>> >https://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/, but I can't imagine
>> >trying to
>> >commercialize an app written on that.  There's the Android NDK which
>> >allows
>> >you to write C/C++ that's then linked into the Dalvik VM, so you
>still
>> >need
>> >a small Java app to load the NDK code (plus then you need a separate
>> >NDK
>> >app for each architecture.)
>> >
>> >AppInventor is pretty cool, but you'll still need more work to do
>> >complex
>> >things.
>> >
>> >David
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
>> >atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm considering doing some android development, mainly for hobby
>> >level
>> >> playing with my tablet, as opposed to commercialization.  If I
>came
>> >up with
>> >> something really cool, I wouldn't mind commercializing it.
>> >>
>> >> I don't necessarily want to learn Java for a few different reasons
>> >related
>> >> to security, kludgy code, etc.  So, I have the following
>questions?
>> >>
>> >> A) Is anyone developing for Android in a language other than Java?
>> >If so,
>> >> how do you like it?
>> >>
>> >> B) Has anyone tried AppInventor, formerly from Google and now MIT?
>> >If so,
>> >> how do you like it?
>> >>
>> >> C) Is there any viable alternative to Java for developing and
>> >> commercializing moderately complex android apps?  Think apps like,
>a
>> >text
>> >> editor, a contact database, a basic music player, a movie
>database, a
>> >> metric units converter, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Ron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >>
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Sent from my Android Acer A500 tablet with bluetooth keyboard and K-9 Mail.
Please excuse my potential brevity.

(To whom it may concern.  My email address has changed.  Replying to former
messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the wrong
address.  Please send all personal correspondence to the new address.)

(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new email messages very quickly.)

Ron Frazier
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