[ale] AARG Firefox devs delete several important UI options

Thu Aug 8 09:17:04 EDT 2013

I’d say you no longer fit if you fill it necessary to try to shutdown posters that are at least:

a)      Posting about technical items rather than the thousands of OT subjects here

b)      Actually give detail not only of the problem but of possible solutions.

Honestly it just seems to me that you have a person animus here.  I don’t know you or Ron but where I CAN see the point of his posts I find I can NOT see the points of your attacks against them.

From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Michael Trausch
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:54 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] AARG Firefox devs delete several important UI options

You do get that software does this on a fairly regular rate, yes?

And yes the config settings will be on about:config. You just have to find them.

Maybe you should start a list dedicated to the undesirable lack of inertia in software... Honestly if you're going to write a book every time something changes you don't like I would seriously recommend that or a blog. That's the style you write in anyway, and at least them people (presumably) are interested.

This just isn't that place. Or if it is, then it is I who no longer fits.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2013, at 9:54 PM, "Ron Frazier (ALE)" <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com<mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote:
Yes, I know that's an option.  Some of the things I mentioned can be fixed that way.  Some others cannot.  The main problem is that the UI controls were there and they were easy to use.  Now they're gone and it takes me substantially longer to configure the same setup as before.

Sincerely,

Ron

On 8/7/2013 9:31 PM, Sparr wrote:
Firefox has always had thousands of configuration options that aren't in the preferences panel. If you want to be a power user, use about:config

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com<mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Just thought I'd pass this along.  The Firefox dev team has deleted several UI options in Firefox 23 that they think are unimportant but that I and a number of people commenting on blogs etc. think are important.  This article lists most of them:

http://www.askvg.com/mozilla-to-remove-several-unnecessary-options-from-firefox-preferences-window

Some of them impact the way I have my Firefox's set up and some of them change user defaults even after the user had intentionally modified them.  If you care about any of these, you can temporarily turn off auto updates on ff 22 (if you even still have ff 22) and look at the menus to see where things have changed.  I spent several hours last night researching how to undo what the dev team has done.  I've found alternate ways of setting or workarounds for almost all.  I'm going to have to spend more hours reconfiguring all my ff installations, pc's, logins, vm's, after they upgrade to 23.  This will take a large and annoying amount of time.  When I'm done, I should still have the system configured the way I want but will still be able to do auto updates.  As has been stated here before by others, you don't want to leave auto updates off if you can avoid it.  I hope to post detailed instructions on how to override the changes in a separate post.  Posting the details now would!
  take a good bit of time.

Here's what they've changed:

A) Tabs on top checkbox is gone - I hate this feature.  I want the menu on top, then the address bar / nav bar, then the tabs.  Some may like it, but the point is, you need to be able to change it.  This is fixable.

B) Load images automatically checkbox / exception list is gone - I and many people use this periodically when they don't want to load images, for speed or bandwidth considerations or data caps, etc.  Fixable.

C) Enable javascript checkbox / advanced javascript configuration is gone.  This is something that's security related and something I set on every installation I do for myself.  What really burns me is that they've not only deleted the controls, but have altered the default settings I already had.  I keep javacript turned on here and let noscript control it on a site by site basis.  However, the advanced screen would let you disallow scripts moving or resizing windows, raising or lowering windows, or changing or replacing context menus.  I had all these features turned off and that's the way I wanted them.  Now, the dev team has changed the defaults that I HAD ALREADY SET to be the opposite in two of the three cases.  As a consequence, I have to go to every pc, vm, and login I have and use a very kludgy method that takes 5X longer to configure, and put the systems back the way I had it.  But, it's fixable.

D) The dialog to override automatic cache management is supposedly gone, but I think it may still be there, at least for the moment.  I don't know if that's fixable if they remove it.  I've never used it.

While I'm here (in the options / preferences, advanced, network menu) you should know that html 5 websites can potentially store many MB of data for offline use on your system.  There are a couple of dialogs in this menu to control and monitor that, as well as a checkbox to "Tell me when a website wants to store data for offline use".  I'd leave that checked.

E) Options to turn off or on SSL3 or TLS1 are gone.  The entire certificate management interface is supposed to be gone, but I think it's still there.  I've never used the first options.  I occasionally have to tinker with security certificate exceptions.  I don't know if the SSL TLS things are fixable or if they need to be.

F) The option to turn off the nav toolbar is gone supposedly, but it still looks like it's in the view menu.  I don't know if that's fixable if they remove it.  Many people like to eliminate tabs and the nav bar and just have a small window with information displaying in it, like weather.

G) The always show the tab bar option is gone.  Conversely, is the easy option to hide it.  Logic for why people want this is the same as for the nav bar.  This is fixable.

That's it for now.  I hope to be posting detailed instructions to implement the fixes, but that email will take me a while to type and I have to find time for it.  If anyone has specific questions, feel free to ask.

HTH

Sincerely,

Ron

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