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I love my '99 Miata, which replaced my '93 Miata! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Lozier" <jslozier at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:25:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] OT: check light diagnostic tool
Doesn't Ford have an ownership stake in Mazda?
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:14:33 -0400, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com> wrote:
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Mazda and Ford are still together. Their cars share same platform in similar class cars. Althout Mazda tends to give their cars a bit sportier nature than Ford's.
On Friday, June 14, 2013, Scott Castaline < skotchman at gmail.com > wrote:
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> In the early to mid 90's, Mazda had a SUV I think it was called
> Navahoe that was actually a re-branded Ford Exploder. My 2nd Mazda PU
> (B2300) would suddenly accelerate (sound familiar?) when I was braking
> to stop. The first time it happened I was pulling up to a toll plaza
> and didn't fully realize what was happening almost hit the car in
> front of me. Several people were having similar problems in both Ford
> and Mazda. Ford quietly fixed their own labeled trucks and denied that
> what was happening on the Mazda version had anything to do with the
> Ford. Mazda engineers even found the bad code in the system which was
> Ford and not Mazda.
>
> Back in 93 Ford had new small car that was a sporty design I can't
> remember the name of it, but it was a fairly fast car. Mazda also had
> re-branded this car and had their version of it. The Mazda version had
> a different body but everything under the body was Ford. The first
> year of this car (I think 91) the Mazda version had a unique tilt
> steering wheel where the entire instrument panel would tilt so that
> all gauges were visible at all times. They stopped after 2 years
> though, not sure why. It seemed to work well at least in the one a
> friend owned who let me drive it.
>
>
> On 06/13/2013 05:25 AM, Michael Trausch wrote:
>> Seriously? I had no idea Mazda and ford were bedded at any point in
>> the past... Well, if that's the case, have fun. Everyone I know
>> with 90s era Rangers and derivatives have some serious issues.
>> Lighting problems, computer problems... Don't get me started on the
>> dome light and speed sensor combo on a single circuit...
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2013 11:17 PM, "Scott Castaline" < skotchman at gmail.com
>> <mailto: skotchman at gmail.com >> wrote:
>>
>> You may want to check what Ford Ranger owners are experiencing as
>> the B series Mazadas are actually Ford Rangers. I had 3 of them in
>> the mid 90's and there were intermittent computer related problems
>> with them.
>>
>>
>> On 06/12/2013 01:53 PM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>>> Good stuff there. 109k miles. Not a lot for a 1999, but good
>>> many miles.
>>
>>> One thing I have noticed just over the past few days is engine
>>> noise in the radio. Not seen that before.
>>
>>> -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Greg Clifton < gccfof5 at gmail.com
>> <mailto: gccfof5 at gmail.com >
>>> <mailto: gccfof5 at gmail.com <mailto: gccfof5 at gmail.com >>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I have not seen a "check gauge" light, but for a vehicle of
>>>> that age, I would suspect a failing sensor. However, it would
>>>> be a good idea to clean your battery terminals if you haven't
>>>> done that in a while. All manner of spurious computer codes can
>>>> be generated when the power level (generally due to marginal
>>>> ground connections since US cars are pretty much all NEGATIVE
>>>> ground systems).
>>>>
>>>> If that is of no help, sensors that might be suspect would be
>>>> Coolant Temp, MAF or AMP and Intake Air Temp sensor depending
>>>> on what type of air metering system your vehicle has. It could
>>>> also be an oil pressure sensor, on some cars a failure of this
>>>> sensor will kill the spark and cause driveability issues. One
>>>> more that just occurred to me is the possibility of a faulty
>>>> fuel pressure sensor (often part of the fuel pump assembly in
>>>> the tank, which could also be failing with this age vehicle,
>>>> depending on the mileage). I wouldn't suspect the knock
>>>> sensors, however a look at the plugs and the spark wires
>>>> (assuming you don't have coil on plug) might be in order.
>>>>
>>>> Has you MPG changed since the light has started coming on? In
>>>> my experience the most common causes of check engine lights
>>>> being illuminated are loose gas cap, other vacuum leak, clogged
>>>> EGR pipe/valve and O2 sensor [heater] failure (roughly but not
>>>> absolutely in that order). But none of these are "gauged"
>>>> sensors so I don't see how they could be involved in your
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE)
>>>> < atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto: atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com >
>>>> <mailto: atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
>> <mailto: atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From other comments, it sounds like the check gauge light
>>>> (never heard of that) is different from check engine, so this
>>>> may not be relevant to you. For what it's worth, I had an
>>>> intermittent check engine light on a 2002 toyota camry that I
>>>> ultimately traded. It went on and off for years with sometimes
>>>> months between cycles. We managed to read a scan code on it
>>>> while it was on once and the mechanic said the catalytic
>>>> converter was on the verge of failure. It would do slightly
>>>> better or worse depending on drive time, ambient conditions,
>>>> and fuel characteristics (I assume). I managed to get the
>>>> light to go off a couple of times with a fuel additive. O2
>>>> sensors and mass air flow sensors can also cause problems like
>>>> this. You probably already know it, but you cannot pass an
>>>> emissions test if such a light is on. If I remember correctly,
>>>> and what people may not know, is that an emission test result
>>>> is valid for up to 1 year. So, you can get the emissions
>>>> tested when the li! ght is off, and then go use that months
>>>> later to buy your tag.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey Myers < lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto: lists at serioustechnology.com >
>>>> <mailto: lists at serioustechnology.com
>> <mailto: lists at serioustechnology.com >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it is for a 1999 Mazda pickup. Really would like
>>>>> immediate results, so don't want to wait for over night
>>>>> shipping. Took it by autozone a while back, but did not show
>>>>> anything. Also, it
>>>> doesn't stay
>>>>> on. Has been blinking on and off for a couple of months.
>>>>> Just
>>>> recently
>>>>> it has been coming on more regularly, hence the inquiry.
>>>>> I'll
>>>> check my
>>>>> local auto parts stores.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM, neal < neal at mnopltd.com
>> <mailto: neal at mnopltd.com >
>>>> <mailto: neal at mnopltd.com <mailto: neal at mnopltd.com >>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need immediate results, as noted Autozone will do
>>>>>> for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that stock ODBC readers will NOT find all
>>>>>> manufacturer
>>>> data, at
>>>>> least for Toyota and Mercedes there is a wealth of data ODBC
>>>>> cannot access - only dealer computers can. In many cases
>>>>> the DTC code is only an approximation of what is really
>>>>> going on. You can experiment with crowd-sourcing your DTC
>>>>> code against what others have done
>>>> to fix,
>>>>> but, unless it's cheap to try, you might be better off
>>>>> getting the dealer to read the real codes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Samsung tablet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Turmel < philip at turmel.org <mailto: philip at turmel.org >
>> <mailto: philip at turmel.org <mailto: philip at turmel.org >>>
>>>>>> wrote: On 06/12/2013 09:48 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>>>>>>> Looking for recommendations. Can one be purchased
>>>>>>> locally?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been extremely happy with a simple "ELM-327"
>>>>>> bluetooth dongle
>>>>> and
>>>>>> "Torque Pro" on my android phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
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div style=3D'font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; colo=
r: #000000'>According to <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda#Par=
tnership_with_Ford_Motor_Company">Wikipedia</a>:<div><br><blockquote style=
=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1953125px; backgrou=
nd-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From 1979 to 2010, Mazda had a partnership w=
ith the </span><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Com=
pany" title=3D"Ford Motor Company" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: r=
gb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255=
); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1953125px;">Fo=
rd Motor Company</a><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px=
; line-height: 19.1953125px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">, who a=
cquired a 7% stake in 1979 and by 1996, owned 33.3% of Mazda. Under the adm=
inistration of </span><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Mu=
lally" title=3D"Alan Mulally" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11=
, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); fo=
nt-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1953125px;">Alan Mu=
lally</a><span style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-heig=
ht: 19.1953125px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">, Ford gradually d=
ivested its stake in Mazda from 2008 to 2010, with Ford currently holding 3=
% of Mazda stock and severing production as well as development ties.</span=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I love my '99 Miata, which replaced=
my '93 Miata! :-)<br><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight=
:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Jay Lozier" <jslozier at gmail.co=
m><br><b>To: </b>ale at ale.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:2=
5:53 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [ale] OT: check light diagnostic tool<br><br=
>
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<div>Doesn't Ford have an ownership stake in Mazda?</div><div><br></div><di=
v>On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:14:33 -0400, Boris Borisov <bugyatl at gmail.com&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><br><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0.80ex; border-left=
: #0000FF 2px solid; padding-left: 1ex">Mazda and Ford are still together. =
Their cars share same platform in similar class cars. Althout Mazda tends t=
o give their cars a bit sportier nature than Ford's.<br><br>On Friday, June=
14, 2013, Scott Castaline <<a href=3D"mailto:skotchman at gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">skotchman at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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In the early to mid 90's, Mazda had a SUV I think it was called<br>> Nav=
ahoe that was actually a re-branded Ford Exploder. My 2nd Mazda PU<br>
> (B2300) would suddenly accelerate (sound familiar?) when I was braking=
<br>> to stop. The first time it happened I was pulling up to a toll pla=
za<br>> and didn't fully realize what was happening almost hit the car i=
n<br>
> front of me. Several people were having similar problems in both Ford<=
br>> and Mazda. Ford quietly fixed their own labeled trucks and denied t=
hat<br>> what was happening on the Mazda version had anything to do with=
the<br>
> Ford. Mazda engineers even found the bad code in the system which was<=
br>> Ford and not Mazda.<br>><br>> Back in 93 Ford had new small c=
ar that was a sporty design I can't<br>> remember the name of it, but it=
was a fairly fast car. Mazda also had<br>
> re-branded this car and had their version of it. The Mazda version had=
<br>> a different body but everything under the body was Ford. The first=
<br>> year of this car (I think 91) the Mazda version had a unique tilt<=
br>
> steering wheel where the entire instrument panel would tilt so that<br=
>> all gauges were visible at all times. They stopped after 2 years<br>&=
gt; though, not sure why. It seemed to work well at least in the one a<br>
> friend owned who let me drive it.<br>><br>><br>> On 06/13/201=
3 05:25 AM, Michael Trausch wrote:<br>>> Seriously? I had no idea Maz=
da and ford were bedded at any point in<br>>> the past... Well, if th=
at's the case, have fun. Everyone I know<br>
>> with 90s era Rangers and derivatives have some serious issues.<br>=
>> Lighting problems, computer problems... Don't get me started on th=
e<br>>> dome light and speed sensor combo on a single circuit...<br>
>><br>>> On Jun 12, 2013 11:17 PM, "Scott Castaline" <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:skotchman at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">skotchman at gmail.com</a><=
br>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:skotchman at gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">skotchman at gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>> You may want to check what Ford Ranger owners are expe=
riencing as<br>>> the B series Mazadas are actually Ford Rangers. I h=
ad 3 of them in<br>>> the mid 90's and there were intermittent comput=
er related problems<br>
>> with them.<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 06/12/2013 01:53=
PM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:<br>>>> Good stuff there. 109k miles. No=
t a lot for a 1999, but good<br>>>> many miles.<br>>><br>
>>> One thing I have noticed just over the past few days is engine=
<br>>>> noise in the radio. Not seen that before.<br>>><br>&=
gt;>> -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers<br>>><br>>>> On=
Jun 12, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Greg Clifton <<a href=3D"mailto:gccfof5 at gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">gccfof5 at gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
gccfof5 at gmail.com</a>><br>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gccf=
of5 at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gccfof5 at gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gccfof5 at gmail.com</a>>&g=
t;> wrote:<br>
>><br>>>>> I have not seen a "check gauge" light, but for=
a vehicle of<br>>>>> that age, I would suspect a failing senso=
r. However, it would<br>>>>> be a good idea to clean your batte=
ry terminals if you haven't<br>
>>>> done that in a while. All manner of spurious computer code=
s can<br>>>>> be generated when the power level (generally due =
to marginal<br>>>>> ground connections since US cars are pretty=
much all NEGATIVE<br>
>>>> ground systems).<br>>>>><br>>>>> I=
f that is of no help, sensors that might be suspect would be<br>>>>=
;> Coolant Temp, MAF or AMP and Intake Air Temp sensor depending<br>
>>>> on what type of air metering system your vehicle has. It c=
ould<br>>>>> also be an oil pressure sensor, on some cars a fai=
lure of this<br>>>>> sensor will kill the spark and cause drive=
ability issues. One<br>
>>>> more that just occurred to me is the possibility of a faul=
ty<br>>>>> fuel pressure sensor (often part of the fuel pump as=
sembly in<br>>>>> the tank, which could also be failing with th=
is age vehicle,<br>
>>>> depending on the mileage). I wouldn't suspect the knock<br=
>>>>> sensors, however a look at the plugs and the spark wires<=
br>>>>> (assuming you don't have coil on plug) might be in orde=
r.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Has you MPG changed since the light ha=
s started coming on? In<br>>>>> my experience the most common c=
auses of check engine lights<br>>>>> being illuminated are loos=
e gas cap, other vacuum leak, clogged<br>
>>>> EGR pipe/valve and O2 sensor [heater] failure (roughly but=
not<br>>>>> absolutely in that order). But none of these are "=
gauged"<br>>>>> sensors so I don't see how they could be involv=
ed in your<br>
>>>> case.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>&=
gt;> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE)<br>>>>=
> <<a href=3D"mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com</a>><br>>>>&g=
t; <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com" target=
=3D"_blank">atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com</a>>>> wrote:<br=
>>>>><br>>>>> From other comments, it sounds like t=
he check gauge light<br>
>>>> (never heard of that) is different from check engine, so t=
his<br>>>>> may not be relevant to you. For what it's wor=
th, I had an<br>>>>> intermittent check engine light on a 2002 =
toyota camry that I<br>
>>>> ultimately traded. It went on and off for years with=
sometimes<br>>>>> months between cycles. We managed to read a =
scan code on it<br>>>>> while it was on once and the mechanic s=
aid the catalytic<br>
>>>> converter was on the verge of failure. It would do slightl=
y<br>>>>> better or worse depending on drive time, ambient cond=
itions,<br>>>>> and fuel characteristics (I assume). I ma=
naged to get the<br>
>>>> light to go off a couple of times with a fuel additive. &n=
bsp;O2<br>>>>> sensors and mass air flow sensors can also cause=
problems like<br>>>>> this. You probably already know it=
, but you cannot pass an<br>
>>>> emissions test if such a light is on. If I remember =
correctly,<br>>>>> and what people may not know, is that an emi=
ssion test result<br>>>>> is valid for up to 1 year. So, =
you can get the emissions<br>
>>>> tested when the li! ght is off, and then go use that month=
s<br>>>>> later to buy your tag.<br>>>>><br>>>=
;>> Sincerely,<br>>>>><br>>>>> Ron<br>>>=
;>><br>
>>>><br>>>>> Geoffrey Myers <<a href=3D"mailto:l=
ists at serioustechnology.com" target=3D"_blank">lists at serioustechnology.com</=
a><br>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">lists at serioustechnology.com</a>><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lists at serioustechnology.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a=
href=3D"mailto:lists at serioustechnology.com" target=3D"_blank">lists at seriou=
stechnology.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>>>>>> Yes, it is for a 1999 Mazda pickup=
. Really would like<br>>>>>> immediate results, so don't wan=
t to wait for over night<br>>>>>> shipping. Took it by autoz=
one a while back, but did not show<br>
>>>>> anything. Also, it<br>>>>> doesn't stay<br=
>>>>>> on. Has been blinking on and off for a couple of mont=
hs.<br>>>>>> Just<br>>>>> recently<br>>>&g=
t;>> it has been coming on more regularly, hence the inquiry.<br>
>>>>> I'll<br>>>>> check my<br>>>>>&=
gt; local auto parts stores.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>=
; -- From my iPhone Geoffrey Myers<br>>>>>><br>>>>&=
gt;> On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:49 AM, neal <<a href=3D"mailto:neal at mnopl=
td.com" target=3D"_blank">neal at mnopltd.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:neal at mnopltd.com" target=3D"_blank">n=
eal at mnopltd.com</a>><br>>>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ne=
al at mnopltd.com" target=3D"_blank">neal at mnopltd.com</a> <mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:neal at mnopltd.com" target=3D"_blank">neal at mnopltd.com</a>>>=
> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>>> If you need immediate resu=
lts, as noted Autozone will do<br>>>>>>> for free.<br>>=
;>>>>><br>>>>>>> Note that stock ODBC read=
ers will NOT find all<br>
>>>>>> manufacturer<br>>>>> data, at<br>>&=
gt;>>> least for Toyota and Mercedes there is a wealth of data ODB=
C<br>>>>>> cannot access - only dealer computers can. =
In many cases<br>
>>>>> the DTC code is only an approximation of what is reall=
y<br>>>>>> going on. You can experiment with crowd-sou=
rcing your DTC<br>>>>>> code against what others have done<b=
r>
>>>> to fix,<br>>>>>> but, unless it's cheap to =
try, you might be better off<br>>>>>> getting the dealer to =
read the real codes.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>=
;<br>
>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>=
;> Sent from Samsung tablet<br>>>>>>><br>>>>&=
gt;>> Phil Turmel <<a href=3D"mailto:philip at turmel.org" target=3D"=
_blank">philip at turmel.org</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:philip at turmel.or=
g" target=3D"_blank">philip at turmel.org</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:philip at turmel.org" target=3D"_blank">=
philip at turmel.org</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:philip at turmel.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">philip at turmel.org</a>>>><br>>>>>>> =
wrote: On 06/12/2013 09:48 AM, Geoffrey Myers wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Looking for recommendations. Can one be purcha=
sed<br>>>>>>>> locally?<br>>>>>>><br=
>>>>>>> I've been extremely happy with a simple "ELM-327"=
<br>
>>>>>> bluetooth dongle<br>>>>>> and<br>&g=
t;>>>>> "Torque Pro" on my android phone.<br>>>>>=
;>><br>>>>>>> Phil<br>>>>>>><br>
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