[ale] OT: Windows 8 Open Source development crippled

[Justin Goldberg]

So much for Developers Developers Developers Developers who-whooooooooooooo!

On 5/30/12, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, saw this.  I think Ballmer is shooting himself in the foot here.
>  The next generation of programmers is gonna be raised on linux or
> Macs, 'cause that's where they can develop simple command-line
> programs with low-level interfaces to learn the craft.  You cannot
> realistically expect a young, inexperienced coder to understand
> "Hello, World" when it's embedded deep inside 800 lines of
> javascript//html5 generated from some automated development tool.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:32 PM, JD <jdp at algoloma.com> wrote:
>> On 05/30/2012 11:34 AM, Vernard Martin wrote:
>>> Or rather more crippled than normal. This message came across a
>>> distribution list where I work.
>>>
>>> For anyone with an eye towards development work on Windows 8, the only
>>> “free” to use version of Visual Studio Express will only make “metro”
>>> friendly touch style apps and web pages. Development for desktop will
>>> require Visual Studio Pro at about $500 a copy. But if you are a clever
>>> developer you may say to yourself, “Fine, I’ll just use the Windows SDK
>>> C++ compiler... stripped down but good enough!” Well, MS thought of that
>>> too and the compiler is being stripped from the Windows SDK. At the end
>>> of the day, this means that there will be less desktop freeware for
>>> Window 8 and most new freeware will likely use the Windows 7 SDK, so
>>> there’s really no point in Windows 8 for desktops. So, this means
>>> Windows 8 is going to be a lot like Vista, only not as good.
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps I'm just slow, but can't windows devs looking for a free setup use
>> gcc
>> and GTK or Qt?  There will be a learning curve, since their crutch with
>> VS
>> completing parameters will be gone until they get a new IDE setup, but
>> still ...
>>
>> Back when I did MS-Windows development, only a paid version of MS-Studio
>> was
>> available.  Of course, on all the other platforms we used g++, so it was
>> Windows
>> that was the hassle for our team.
>>
>> I can't imagine that SDK changes between Win7 and Win8 for desktop apps
>> are
>> really much different. MS builds in backwards compatibility for at least
>> the
>> last OS, if not the last 5-10 yrs worth.
>>
>> If they are professional developers, addicted to VS, they will already
>> have a
>> $500 license anyway - I know I did.
>>
>> Switching to GNU tools would be better anyway - better for F/LOSS and
>> Linux.
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