[ale] Fwd: Google and Oracle battle over the future of Android

[Cameron Kilgore]

I've never been able to run Java class files inside Dalvik. Hell, I have enough of a problem porting J2SE code to Dalvik/Android without rewriting chunks for org.android.* or apache.* blocks.

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Cameron Kilgore
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On Friday, April 20, 2012 at 11:03 AM, arxaaron wrote:

> On 2012/04/19, at 21:32 , Cameron Kilgore wrote:
> 
> > Well if that's the case, Dalvik is definitely incompatible with Java.
> > 
> > > Stephen Haywood wrote
> > > Google is heavy into python. I wonder if they could use python
> > > where they would normally use java and then put in an interpreter
> > > that would allow older apps to still run. May be way off base here
> > > so feel free to point and laugh.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Technically, Dalvik can run anything built for it.
> > There are ways to build Python and Scala for Dalvik.
> > 
> 
> 
> And for those who had never heard the name "Dalvik" before
> (like yours truly):
> 
> "Dalvik is the process virtual machine (VM) in Google's Android
> operating system. It is the software that runs the apps on Android
> devices. Dalvik is thus an integral part of Android, which is typically
> used on mobile devices such as mobile phones and tablet computers.
> Programs are commonly written in a dialect of Java and compiled
> to bytecode. Then they are converted from Java Virtual Machine-
> compatible .class files to Dalvik-compatible .dex (Dalvik Executable)
> files before installation on a device. The compact Dalvik Executable
> format is designed to be suitable for systems that are constrained
> in terms of memory and processor speed."
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_(software)>
> 
> 
> 
> > -- 
> > Cameron Kilgore
> > Sent with Sparrow
> > 
> > On Thursday, April 19, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Rev. Johnny Healey wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, it would be feasible to write a java virtual machine in 
> > > python, but it would probably not be very fast and it wouldn't 
> > > actually solve the problem. Oracle isn't actually claiming 
> > > infringement of the VM, or even the Java language. They're 
> > > complaint seems to be that Google built and API that is compatible 
> > > with the existing Sun Java API. It's kind of an odd stance to take 
> > > and runs counter to what has been the cultural norm in the software 
> > > industry (think of how many libc implementations there are).
> > > 
> > > I've been following the case a bit and it really highlights the 
> > > confusion as to whether or not anyone actually owns Java. Larry 
> > > Ellison could not answer whether or not Java can be freely 
> > > implemented by anyone. Sun supposedly GPL'd the language half a 
> > > decade ago, but then there are issues with the licensing of the 
> > > Technology Compatibility Kit (TCK) which basically prevents someone 
> > > from building a clean room implementation of Java.
> > > 
> > > In short, Oracle's argument is that Java is free to implement as 
> > > long as what you implement isn't compatible with Java.
> > > 
> > > -Rev. Johnny Healey
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Haywood <stephen at averagesecurityguy.info (mailto:stephen at averagesecurityguy.info) 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Google is heavy into python. I wonder if they could use python 
> > > > where they would normally use java and then put in an interpreter 
> > > > that would allow older apps to still run. May be way off base here 
> > > > so feel free to point and laugh.
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Stephen Haywood
> > > > Information Security Consultant
> > > > CISSP, GPEN, OSCP
> > > > T: @averagesecguy
> > > > W: averagesecurityguy.info (http://averagesecurityguy.info)
> > > > 
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