[ale] I've decided again to learn programming again

[Ron Frazier]

Hi JD,

I'll be looking into these resources you mentioned.  The java based ones 
might just do the trick.  I wasn't sure you could use 1 computer and be 
sharing 1 of it's screens while viewing others on another monitor.  If 
that can be done, then that would be fine.  I do want GUI support on the 
screen sharing.  I'll be using Gnome, Sam will be either using Gnome or 
Unity, and we'll all be using Eclipse at some point.  I want us all to 
be able to view each other's screens for setup and troubleshooting 
assistance.  I appreciate these suggestions.

Sincerely,

Ron

On 10/21/2011 4:39 PM, JD wrote:
> VoIP side:
>
> * Asterisk server - freepbx then use any SIP client you like.
>
> * Any SIP client with FreeConferenceCallHD.com - you can use a regular
> telephone, but SIP works with a direct connection for free. I've used
> Twinkle without issues.
>
> * Mumble?
>
> I don't understand why you would need 2 PCs for each person. It feels
> like you're thinking the Microsoft way. Perhaps just share a part of 1
> screen or use a 2nd monitor and share that.  Or if you like, just setup
> 1 development server and let the other users share it with a remote
> connection. Use FreeNX if you **must** have a GUI.
>
> On the video sharing side - look to java (cough)-based solutions.  The
> F/LOSS server versions aren't trivial to setup from what I can tell.
> OpenMeetings and http://bigbluebutton.org/ might have everything you
> want, including a VoIP server.
>
> These aren't point and click installations.
>
>
> On 10/21/2011 03:20 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
>    
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I want to thank those who've replied to this thread previously.  I'll be
>> considering all those pieces of advice as my programming project
>> advances, and will probably post other messages here about them.  I'm
>> not quoting the whole thread here, because I want to ask some questions
>> about technology setup, so I and a couple of partners can begin learning
>> Java programming collaboratively.  Essentially, I and Scott Castaline
>> and possibly one other person, not part of this group, whom I shall call
>> Sam for now, wish to all participate in a learning experience to learn
>> to program in Java.  (If there is a Sam in the group, he's not related
>> to this discussion.)  At least at first, we'll be working through one of
>> the Deitel and Deitel textbooks.  These have the unique advantage of
>> having lots of case studies and exercises to look at.  We want to be
>> able to participate in the experience together in real time, by
>> collaborating over the internet.  I will be running Ubuntu 10.04, Scott
>> will probably be running Fedora 15, and Sam will probably be running
>> Ubuntu 11.04.
>>
>> I want to enable 2 features to enable collaboration.  1) Multiparty VOIP
>> voice conferencing, and 2) Multiparty screen sharing
>>
>> Here's how I want this to work.  Each person will have two computers to
>> use.  One machine will be their development machine, with the editor,
>> compiler, IDE, and other Java development related tools.  The second
>> computer will be their voip machine and viewer machine.
>>
>> For item 1), Multiparty VOIP voice conferencing, I want each of the
>> three people to be able to join a VOIP conference such that each one can
>> wear a computer headset and each one can talk and the other two can hear
>> him, just like a conference call.
>>
>> For item 2), Multiparty screen sharing, it gets a bit more complicated.
>>
>> Let's designate the computers for each person as follows:
>>
>> Dev-Ron
>> Viewer-Ron
>>
>> Dev-Scott
>> Viewer-Scott
>>
>> Dev-Sam
>> Viewer-Sam
>>
>> Each person will share their Dev screen with the other two people, in
>> view only mode.  Each person will view the other two people's Dev
>> screens in windows on his Viewer screen.
>>
>> So, the contents of the screens would be as follows:
>>
>> Dev-Ron - Ron's development environment
>> Viewer-Ron
>>        a window containing an image of Scott's Dev screen
>>        a window containing an image of Sam's Dev screen
>>
>> Dev-Scott - Scott's development environment
>> Viewer-Scott
>>        a window containing an image of Ron's Dev screen
>>        a window containing an image of Sam's Dev screen
>>
>> Dev-Sam - Sam's development environment
>> Viewer-Sam
>>        a window containing an image of Ron's Dev screen
>>        a window containing an image of Scott's Dev screen
>>
>> I hope that makes any sense whatsoever.  If it works, every participant
>> will be able to see whatever the other two are doing and every one will
>> be able to talk to every one.  Note that I don't need pictures of the
>> people, just the computer screens of their Dev systems.  Note also that
>> this is different from a situation where there is one presenter, since
>> every party is both a presenter and a viewer.
>>
>> This needs to be free open source software, and should not require any
>> fees to participate.
>>
>> I'm thinking Ventrillo might work for voice, if available for Linux.
>> I'm thinking that TeamViewer might work for the screen sharing.  I'm not
>> sure if either can do multiparty conferencing, and I'm sure that there
>> are other options.
>>
>> Leave it to me to try to grab a tiger by the tail, as I'm sure this will
>> be complicated.  I've done point to point remote control before, but
>> nothing like this.  Any advice on how to get this working would be
>> appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Sincerely confused,
>>
>> Ron


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