[ale] Fedora 15

[Damon L. Chesser]

On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 19:12 -0400, The Don Lachlan wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 03:13:07PM -0400, Rich Faulkner wrote:
> > Interesting.  Yum seems to move fast enough to me and gets me out of
> > trouble when gpk-application takes a dump.  That has happened more than
> > once in F12 and yum has always come through.  Might be interesting to
> > test two VM's side-by-side and see who wins?  Apt, dpkg or yum?
> > 
> 
> Anecdotally...
> 
> I've not used yum in a few years and it had definitely improved its speed
> from the walk-away-do-something-else pace it used to be but, compared to APT, it
> was still slooooowwwwwwwwww.
> 
> RPM is a poor substitute for Deb and every attempt to improve upon it is
> still dealing with inherent failures of the packaging system. I say this as
> someone who has WRITTEN dozens, maybe approaching a hundred, of spec files
> and managed them. It's easier to write than a Deb but harder on the user.

Not arguing, asking:  I thought technically they were the same, but the
difference was in the front end:  Are you saying otherwise? (Old Debhead
here)


> 
> -L
> 
> > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 15:03 -0400, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> > > On 05/25/2011 11:47 AM, Derek Atkins wrote: 
> > > > I find it odd that you had such major problems so quickly, considering
> > > > F15 was just released yesterday.  If you were using a F15 pre-release,
> > > > well, that could certainly be the explanation of your issues.
> > > > 
> > > > As for the package manager being slow, I think it's just a perception
> > > > thing.  It also depends on your network connection.  I've found apt to
> > > > be slow at times, too.  It all depends what needs to be done, and how
> > > > recently you've run it.
> > > > 
> > > > I plan to install F15 today once my new hard drive arrives.
> > > >   
> > > I installed it a couple of weeks ago, but I wound up removing it
> > > yesterday because I was still having some troubles with it.  I'll
> > > admit to part of my troubles being a lack of familiarity with the
> > > packaging system—I feel "at home" with dpkg and APT.  I can use rpm
> > > alright, but this yum thing is just slow.  It seems to take forever
> > > for the "resolving dependencies" step, and I had a problem where it
> > > couldn't resolve dependencies.  I've had problems with RPM-based
> > > distributions failing to resolve dependencies as far back as the first
> > > Red Hat (version 5.2 from the 90s) that I had ever installed.  My
> > > understanding then was that it was a repository issue of some sort.
> > > But the thing is that I've never had such a problem with APT: it has
> > > always resolved dependencies correctly, but if a dependency is
> > > unavailable, it will say "I cannot install package foo because the
> > > package isn't in the repository" and trying 30 minutes later usually
> > > yields success.
> > > 
> > >     --- Mike
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