[ale] how do I list big files

[Scott Castaline]

On 03/20/2011 04:07 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> That's pretty cool. It was good of you to check before shutting down.
> That's one thing I try to reinforce to anyone I advise about computers
> of modern vintage, never never just power off. Always use the shutdown
> procedure and wait for it to finish. Modern drives will autopark the
> heads, but you don't want a bunch of open OS and applications files
> hanging around at power off.
> Ron
>
Actually if memory serves me correctly the heads not parking or just 
landing wherever they were at power off was on stepper drives and the 
one or two servo drives at the time did auto-retract at power off. When 
I started with UNIX on mini systems and super-minis the HDDs used then 
had the large 18" platter(s) and were servo controlled with huge 
voice-coils that the heads would retract into. The first time I used a 
DOS system I thought it strange that you only had to enter the date & 
time after turning it on. When I went to shut it off I entered my 
usually shutdown -g0 -y and it gave me an error, probably something like 
Command not found and I was afraid to just shut it off. After making a 
call to NY from FL I had some doubts and confusion that if you're at a C 
prompt just flip the switch. I also knew nothing about stepper drives at 
the time as I never seen a small drive before at least a hard drive. Had 
2 floppies and a cassette on my Commodore 64, which to me was a toy at 
first.
> On 03/20/2011 03:37 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:
>> On 03/20/2011 11:28 AM, Ron Frazier wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tips.  I suspected it was something like that, but didn't
>>> know what.
>>>
>>> I'm learning all the time, but it's a slow process.  I've been learning
>>> DOS / Windows for 26 years, Linux for 1 year.  It will take a while to
>>> develop comprehensive knowledge.  The first part of the learning curve
>>> is the hardest.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>> I went the other way, UNIX first than DOS. It cost me a $5 LD call to
>> find out that DOS didn't have a shutdown command. I later wrote a bat
>> file that parked the heads and echoed "Safe to Power Down!"
>>
>>> On 03/20/2011 10:21 AM, Michael Trausch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes,>    is the shell redirection operator. 2>    says to redirect CD
>>>> number two, which is the stderr stream.  Without an integer supplied,
>>>> the stdout stream (number 1) is the default.
>>>>
>>>> The<    operator is input redirection. Its default target is the
>>>> process' fd 0 (stdin), though again that can be changed. A program
>>>> that, for example, opened a socket connection as fd 5 and fd 6 could
>>>> be used with shell redirection (and even fancier pipelining) if desired.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I think you should spend some time getting familiar with "UNIX"
>>>> as a whole.  Even concepts from the late 60s and 70s are still
>>>> applicable on moden systems, and the basics are essentially unchanged.  :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my phone... a G2 running CM7 nightlies!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>