[ale] dialing on Android and driving will kill you and others

Greg Clifton gccfof5 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 28 13:31:46 EDT 2011


I'm throwing the OT flag on Jim Kenny!

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to poke the "government does nothing right" process with a stick :-)
> we _did_ put people on the moon using government processes, we did manage to
> build a nation-wide system of highways (that at one time _were_ the envy of
> the world) and a whole host of other pretty amazing things. All failings of
> government should be pinned on the guilty party, i.e. - the management
> structure, you know, the idiots that spend a crapton to get INTO leadership
> positions then fail miserably at being effective leaders. Too bad we don't
> have a way to force the morons to accept the project design from the experts
> and a simple fund/don't fund process (i.e. - no micromanagement of large
> processes; where they really fail, IMNSHO). The "politics" is truly
> disgusting.
>
> So letting politicians design an automated highway system does truly
> terrify me! Having a collection of really bright engineers not hamstrung by
> funding constraints and politically motivated road placements do the actual
> design and implementation planning that the (semi) elected crowd then either
> funds fully or not at all (no more of this half-assed funding compromises:
> fix things or don't. half fixing means the problems continues and the funds
> have been wasted.) to the betterment or detriment of all of us (or at least
> 50% +1).
>
> gag! I'm ranting on political stupidity again. it never ends.
> aarrrggghhhhh!!!!!! the stupidity!! It Burns!
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Lightner, Jeff <JLightner at water.com>wrote:
>
>> Given how long government leaves potholes I'd be afraid of letting them
>> maintain something this complex.   They'd probably set the system to prevent
>> users from exiting their vehicles.  When it later broke down everyone would
>> starve to death while the politicians decided on whether to raise taxes or
>> layoff police officers to generate funds for the repairs.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
>> George Allen
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:02 AM
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> Subject: Re: [ale] dialing on Android and driving will kill you and
>> others.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > And your observations are the base for my fervent desire to have either
>> > steering wheels removed and cars run on a track or driver isolated from
>> > non-drivers both visually and auditorily (and probably olfactorily as
>> well).
>> >
>>
>> I can't find a reference now, but a few years back I saw this article
>> on a highway-car-hive concept at a Japanese carshow. Basically, once
>> the world has only 'smart' cars, they enter the highway and each would
>> talk to its nearest neighbors over RF. While the driver sits back to
>> relax, the car would take over. It would communicate its destination
>> exit to its neighbors, match speed, and arrange itself in a convoy for
>> optimal speed, safety, etc. IE - cars in near exits would drop to the
>> exit lane and warn the driver to take over. Cars going further would
>> stay in faster lanes depending on how far. All cars would maintain
>> equal speed and spacing, thus preventing traffic jams. Merging is
>> automatically done by algorithms communicating requirements upstream
>> so the convoy can pre-adjust spacing. Imagine the difference for
>> 85/75...
>>
>> Of course -- people used to be able to do this too, when they were
>> smart enough to learn how to use the rules, brakes and turn signals in
>> addition to the gas, wheel and horn.
>>
>> > Humans don't multi-task. At best they task-swap. And all of us know
>> there is
>> > a cost to each swap on a computer and thus can imagine there's also a
>> cost
>> > for a human. Add to it that 1/2 the population is below average
>> intelligence
>> > (thus increasing the "I can do this just fine" factor) which adds to the
>> > "they're trying to kill me" factor of everyone n the road.
>> >
>> > automatic Jetson's bubble car. I really wish we were pouring as much
>> > research into making cheap, ultralight, automatic transport devices to
>> > replace what we have as are into ways to keep the mess we have going.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM, David Tomaschik <
>> david at systemoverlord.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Charles Shapiro
>> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6090342-7.html
>> >> >
>> >> > I think about this every time I bike on Atlanta streets.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- CHS
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I'd really like a study to quantify the level of distraction of an
>> >> in-car conversation vs. a cell phone conversation.  For the moment,
>> >> let's exclude the obviously dangerous dialing period, and focus on the
>> >> discussion.  Why is a discussion over a cell phone any worse than
>> >> talking to the passenger next to you?  I've seen plenty of people who
>> >> insist on turning their head to talk to their passenger in the car.
>> >> (Yes, eye contact during a conversation is good, but not when it
>> >> sacrifices eye contact with the road/other drivers.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Tomaschik, RHCE, LPIC-1
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>> > James P. Kinney III
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>> > As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
>> > consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as
>> they
>> > please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
>> > - 2011 Noam Chomsky
>> >
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> James P. Kinney III
>
> As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
> consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they
> please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome.
> - *2011 Noam Chomsky
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> http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/
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