[ale] C Compiler for Linux

Sun Jun 26 22:16:32 EDT 2011

Yeah. It's a good learning tool and great for those suffering from
"geezeritis".
On Jun 26, 2011 10:14 PM, "Scott Castaline" <skotchman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/26/2011 09:26 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>> A suggestion on gaining skills in vim:
>>
>> don't use anything but vim
>>
>> gedit is a good tool for doing cut-n-paste from firefox and the like
>> when the goal is to assemble an array of disconnected info to be used
>> in another format like LOwriter. But for coding, not so good. (and to
>> think I first coded in pico and designed to work around the
>> line-length limits of pico)
>>
>> There is also gvim which is vim with an X-windows environment. Works
>> just like vim from a shell but also has menus you can use when you
>> can't recall the commands. Importantly, it shows the cli-version
>> commands to use as the menu shortcuts so you learn vim.
> Now that sounds like my speed. I can never remember stuff like that, I'm
> lucky if I remember that my name is Sam,,,or is it George? Or maybe Bob
> spelled backwards..........
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ron Frazier
>> <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> JD,
>>
>> Thanks for all this info. I'm saving it for the time when I need it.
>> Thanks too, for the offer of help. I may take you up on it at some
>> point. Until I get more thoroughly into VIM, do you know anything
>> about
>> using gedit for editing?
>>
>> To the others who've replied to my posting, thank you, whether I
>> personally replied to every one or not.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On 6/24/2011 10:33 PM, JD wrote:
>> > On 06/24/2011 05:09 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Rich,
>> >>
>> >> Even though we've discussed some of this on the phone, I
>> thought I'd
>> >> share it with the group.
>> >>
>> >> I've been threatening to relearn programming for 15 years, and I'm
>> >> hoping to actually carry out the threat. 15 years ago, I
>> programmed in
>> >> Clipper, a C like database language. I posted a thread a few
>> months
>> >> back on this list talking about developing in C#. However, the
>> people
>> >> here convinced me that C++ would be better. I now hope to plow
>> through
>> >> the book "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" by Bjarne
>> >> Stroustrup (the inventor of C++). I'm hoping to do cross platform
>> >> development. I'm going to use Visual C++ Express on Windows,
>> which is
>> >> free. On Linux, I've hit on the GCC compiler, as suggested by
>> others.
>> >> I don't know how to use the make system, at this point, but
>> compiling
>> >> small programs with a few source files seems to be very simple. I
>> >> believe you can go through this entire book without an IDE. I
>> know that
>> >> the gedit editor in Ubuntu does syntax highlighting and auto
>> indention
>> >> for C / C++ files. I'll probably start out using that. I may
>> also try
>> >> VIM as I've had just enough experience with VI in the past to be
>> >> dangerous. (I basically know the insert, delete line, and
>> write file
>> >> commands.) Obviously, I would have to learn more about VIM for
>> serious
>> >> programming, but you can do a lot with just those commands,
>> although not
>> >> very efficiently. By the way, this book also talks about a cross
>> >> platform minimal graphics toolkit called FLTK (faster than light
>> >> toolkit, I think) which can be used to put basic windows and
>> buttons on
>> >> the screen, etc. When I graduate to an IDE, I'll probably try
>> NetBeans
>> >> or Eclipse. I believe Eclipse can run on Windows too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > You don't need an IDE and when you are starting out, it
>> complicates and
>> > hides things that you really need to know. You need 3 terminals.
>> >
>> > * Any good syntax highlighting editor in a window (vim, geany,
>> or cough
>> > emacs). Geany does a halstat on functions and classes which is very
>> > useful without all the bloat that java-based IDEs bring.
>> > * in another term, use make
>> > * debugger like gdb or xxgdb if you want a GUI. I haven't done
>> > debugging in years, so does xxgdb still exist?
>> >
>> > You also want to use a version control system. These days I like
>> BZR,
>> > but GIT is useful too.
>> >
>> > Vim is probably the most efficient editor ever created. You just
>> need to
>> > know how to use it. I've used many different editors of all sorts,
>> > brief, spf-edit, emacs, vi, Visual C++, geany, notepad++,
>> eclipse ...
>> > none of them compare to vim in the hands of a power user. I
>> migrated
>> > from emacs to vim when I kept changing into vi-mode to get
>> things done.
>> > Anyway, an editor is a very personal decision and you'll need to
>> pick
>> > the best for yourself.
>> >
>> > You can start with simple bash scripts to build your initial
>> projects.
>> > It isn't like they will be all that large or take more than a
>> few seconds.
>> > make ... ah, make. tabs matter. Be certain that your editor isn't
>> > "helping you" by replacing tabs with spaces. If that happens, your
>> > Makefile will never work. I think gmake is the default make in
>> Linux,
>> > which is good. It has been more than a few years since I wrote any
>> > makefiles, but if you provide a sample and ask a question, I can
>> help.
>> > I may even have a makefile template around here on an old CD
>> backup from
>> > work ... long ago.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might
>> want to
>> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate
>> energy
>> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very
>> quickly.)
>>
>> Ron Frazier
>>
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>>
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>> outcome.
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