[ale] ranting about new Ubuntu UI

Mon Jun 20 18:40:12 EDT 2011

Yeah. I guess if you give a total noob a screen with only 5 buttons
(Facebook, Twitter, gmail, Skype and music) and nothing else to be
confusing, they'll likely be pretty happy just out of blissful ignorance :-)

It's not so much that the tablet interface is included, it's that it's the
ONLY interface and it's not suitable for non-tablets.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Richard Bronosky <Richard at bronosky.com>wrote:

> Let me preface this email by stating that I have not used the GUI on
> Ubuntu 11.04. I have installed Ubuntu 11.04 on many systems, but I
> have not installed the X stack on any of them as I am well known for
> being anti-GUI http://mail.ale.org/pipermail/ale/2011-March/127592.html
> http://www.ale.org/pipermail/ale/2011-February/126605.html
>
> That said, I will say that everything you (Ron) have described sounds
> like steps in the right direction. Sure, the usage paradigms may have
> bugs as described by Jim. But, getting UI elements off of the screen
> when they are not in use is a good thing. I know that Ubuntu is
> heavily invested in making computers for the humans who have not yet
> had the opportunity to use computers. I would bet that UX studies show
> that people do not complain unless they already know to expect the
> menu bars for every open window to be visible at the same time
> regardless of the fact that you only the menu bar for the foreground
> app. I know for a fact that people who are new to computers don't know
> that scrollbars scroll content until they are taught. Why teach them
> _that_? Why not teach them to use a UI that is uncluttered? And
> finally, I bet that the huge icons that you complain of resize to fill
> the space available to them and when more icons are present they would
> shrink. I'm just guessing here, but I know that UI designers don't set
> out to piss off the old faithful. They just don't choose to do things
> a bad way because "that's the way it's been".
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Ron Frazier
> <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com> wrote:
> > Hi guys.  I've been away from the list for a while, so I don't know if
> > this has been already discussed.  I also apologize to anyone I offend
> > who may totally disagree with me.  No offense is intended.
> >
> > I decided to do some digital house keeping and download and make CD's of
> > the most recent Ubuntu ISO's.  After burning the CD's, I wanted to
> > verify that each CD was burned correctly.  I looked up the appropriate
> > MD5sum command and saved it in a text file on the hard drive.  Then, I
> > booted up the Ubuntu 11.04 desktop CD and clicked Try Ubuntu to get it
> > started.  WOW!  I was freaked out because the UI was totally different
> > from 10.04 which I'm used to.  From the podcasts, I knew this was
> > happening, but hadn't seen it.  Now, I'll admit I'm biased toward what I
> > know.  And, I'll admit that I only spent 20-30 minutes looking at it.
> > However, my basic first impression is ... hate it, hate it, hate it,
> > hate it, hate it, hate it.  It seems everyone is trying to redesign
> > their operating system to operate from the point of view of a tablet
> > based touch screen.  However, they seem to be throwing mouse based,
> > large screen devices under the bus.  I think that's incredibly stupid.
> > To do the CD integrity check that I wanted to do, I had to start the
> > text editor, copy the command I'd saved, start a terminal window, and
> > paste the command into that.  What the @#$%$#$ is wrong with a stinking
> > menu?!  It took me 10 minutes just to find out how to start the text
> > editor and the terminal with the new system.  Instead of menu,
> > accessories, text editor; it's now menu, more applications, see all 75
> > apps, scroll scroll scroll all the huge icons down the screen to find
> > the "T" section, then click text editor.  Now that I know how to do it,
> > it's not THAT hard.  But what's the point.  It definitely takes more
> > clicks and mouse movements than it did before.  From the podcasts I
> > listen to, It looks like Windows 8 will be doing something similar with
> > the UI.  If so, I think it's stupid on their part too.  Why can't the
> > designers just realize that desktop / laptop computers and tablets /
> > smart phones need different UI's.  I wouldn't try to put all the
> > controls from a motorcycle on a car, and I wouldn't try to put all the
> > controls from a car on a motorcycle.
> >
> > Here are some other things I hate at first glance.
> >
> > * There is a huge bar of icons on the left.  It seems to be a quick
> > launch bar and a task bar combined.  I'm OK with that concept.  I've
> > been keeping my task bar vertical anyway.  What I hate is that the icons
> > are enormous.  They take up a huge amount of vertical space.  Therefore,
> > if you have 5 quick launch icons open and 5 apps open, then the task bar
> > is full.  I don't know what happens after that.  It may be possible to
> > customize it, but there is no obvious way, like right clicking it.  The
> > other thing I don't like is that it's not obvious what are quick launch
> > icons and what are running applications.  The system seems to put a
> > small arrow next to applications, but I don't think it's very effective.
> >
> > * The traditional Gnome "panels" seem to be gone.  Or, if they're there,
> > there's not obvious way to access or customize them, including the top
> > panel that appears by default.
> >
> > * The APPLICATION menu bar (for the text editor, for example) appears in
> > the top of the screen panel OF THE OS when you roll your mouse up there
> > and disappears when you roll your mouse away.  It does not appear in the
> > window for the application.  Why the @$$%%$$# do the designers think
> > that I want my APPLICATION MENU to be married to the OS DISPLAY?!  And,
> > even if I did, why the $%#$$##$ do the designers think I want it
> > vanishing every time I move away from it?!  Stupid.  Stupid.  Stupid.
> >
> > * Finally, there is no scroll bar on long display items and no up and
> > down arrows.  If you roll your mouse over where those features should
> > be, a scroll device which can be dragged or clicked magically appears.
> > Stupid.  Stupid.  Stupid.
> >
> > Again, no offense intended.  Others may love these features just as
> > passionately as I hate them.  Anyway, I'm definitely NOT installing
> > Ubuntu 11.04 or Windows 8 (when it's available) unless I extensively
> > test in a VM first.  Probably, I'll just stick with Ubuntu 10.04 and
> > Windows Vista or Windows 7 until they stop patching them.  That should
> > be about 2 more years for Ubuntu and 7 more years for Windows.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
> > call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
> > mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new messages very quickly.)
> >
> > Ron Frazier
> >
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> > linuxdude AT c3energy.com
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