[ale] SUSE package manager and install empathy

Tue Feb 15 13:26:07 EST 2011

You state your OPINION that "deb just rocks" as if it were FACT.
You're entitled to your OPINION but it doesn't match that of many of us
who think rpm/yum is better.   In my case I know that is an OPINION and
don't pretend it is a FACT as you seem to have done.

These discussions are purely religious - you might list dozens of
reasons why you think deb tools are better and others might state dozens
of reasons to the contrary but none of them changes anyone's opinion
into a fact.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
Damon L. Chesser
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:36 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] SUSE package manager and install empathy

On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 08:49 -0500, Lightner, Jeff wrote: 
> Not that it matters but I also prefer rpm/yum over the deb stuff.  I
agree that rpm without yum can sometimes not be fun but there seems
little reason not to use yum on rpm based distributions.
> 
> However, I can't see why anyone would base current opinion on ancient
history.  Imagine if you decided never to buy a mobile phone because the
one you had in 1990 was bigger than an army walkie-talkie or the one you
had in the 80s required it to be hard wired into your car.   Technology
evolves faster than people apparently.
> 
> NB:  RedHat 6 = Ancient version of RedHat (back in 2004 the oldest
systems I inherited for Linux were running 7.3 or 9).
> 
> RedHat Enteprise Linux (a/k/a) RHEL is up to version 6.0 now and
should not be confused with what was formerly called just RedHat 6.
RHEL was already at version 3 in 2004 so back then was already 6
releases beyond the old RedHat 6.
> 

In the interest of full disclosure, I am a debhead from way back.
Learned on Debian.  Technically speaking (which is the best way to
speak) there is no difference between .deb and .rpm.  Both contains dep
info and all that fun stuff.  The difference between the two systems is
the front ends.  Apt-get/aptitude (cli, not that deslect cursors stuff)
and synaptic just rock.  Yum is a poor version.  It is better then it
was, but it is not as fast or versatile as aptitude.  It is pretty
usable however.  The problem has always been the front end.  dpkg and
rpm are vary comparable.  

I just always marveled at why the .rpm world kept trying to invent
something when apt-get worked and worked very well, or portage (the only
system I know that is *better*).  Hell, I got into debian because I was
forced to use apt4rpm on my rh system because I could not get anything
to install.  I figured if that worked so well, perhahps I should go find
out where it came from.

On a different note:  I am almost persuaded to try out suse again and
see if I can like Yast like I always wanted to.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
Chuck Payne
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:31 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] SUSE package manager and install empathy
> 
> It's only change from the days of S.u.S.E as a company, and when
> Novell bought it. When to the project start, it was set that the
> spelling is openSUSE, so it hasn't change. It been that way since
> openSUSE 10.0, and it won't.
> 
> Chuck Payne
> openSUSE Ambassador/Member/Marketing Team
> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:19 AM, James Sumners
<james.sumners at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also, you can't change the way you spell your name every other
release
> > and expect people to keep it straight.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Geoffrey Myers
> > <lists at serioustechnology.com> wrote:
> >> Chuck Payne wrote:
> >>> For the recorder, if you refer to openSUSE, the correct spelling
is
> >>> with all lower case open and all upper case SUSE, the O is never
Upper
> >>> case, and the SUSE is always upper.
> >>
> >> For the record, I'm pretty sure that has just become the fact since
> >> Novell purchased SuSE, as originally, it had always been SuSE,
still
> >> have the original disks to prove it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Until later, Geoffrey
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
> >
> > "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> > pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that
it
> > is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to
become
> > drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
> >
> > Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
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