[ale] SUSE package manager and install empathy

Tue Feb 15 10:09:45 EST 2011

Or if you don't want to paid, use CentOS, it has a lot of great
repo'es and works great, CentOS 5.6 and 6.0 are coming out soon.

Chuck

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> RHEL4?  Given that RHEL is now at RHEL 6 and RHEL5 itself is rather long
> in the tooth having been released over 4 years ago maybe you ought to
> think about upgrading your RHEL systems.  One benefit to at least going
> to RHEL5 is you can use yum instead of up2date.  If you have
> subscriptions for RHEL then the upgrade is free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Geoffrey Myers
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:40 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] SUSE package manager and install empathy
>
> James Sumners wrote:
>> Five of the servers I administer at Clayton State are running RHEL4.
>> Let's switch to talking about just the basic tools surrounding the
>> package types and look at a simple example. For this example let's try
>> to get some basic information about a package without having to do a
>> bunch of research into the tools. That is we want to "query" a
>> package.
>
> Maybe you should learn how to use the tools?
>
> rpm -qi screen
>
> Name        : screen                       Relocations: (not
> relocatable)
> Version     : 4.0.3                             Vendor: CentOS
> Release     : 1.el5_4.1                     Build Date: Thu 03 Dec 2009
> 05:50:51 AM EST
> Install Date: Tue 15 Feb 2011 09:38:20 AM EST      Build Host:
> builder10.centos.org
> Group       : Applications/System           Source RPM:
> screen-4.0.3-1.el5_4.1.src.rpm
> Size        : 772081                           License: GPL2
> Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Thu 17 Dec 2009 07:42:46 AM EST, Key ID
> a8a447dce8562897
> URL         : http://www.gnu.org/software/screen
> Summary     : A screen manager that supports multiple logins on one
> terminal.
> Description :
> The screen utility allows you to have multiple logins on just one
> terminal. Screen is useful for users who telnet into a machine or are
> connected via a dumb terminal, but want to use more than just one
> login.
>
> Install the screen package if you need a screen manager that can
> support multiple logins on one terminal.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> As you can see from the example below, rpm returns just about no
>> useful information and apt actually tells you something. I have no
>> idea what information is available in the RPM package that rpm could
>> return. It seems to me that you have to _know how to build_ an RPM
>> before you can get rpm to tell you anything useful. On the other had,
>> apt just prints out its control file[1]. You, the user, don't _need_
>> to know what a control file is, but you get the benefit of it being a
>> requirement of the package format.
>>
>> So there's a concrete example, that is current as of this morning, as
>> to why I prefer one format to the other.
>>
>> (N.B. Am I the only that is missing emails from this thread? I have
>> not received the email from Chuck that Geoffrey replied to and I am
>> now replying to.)
>>
>>
>> [1] --
> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/#
> AEN92
>>
>> ==== Example ====
>> RHEL4:
>> $ rpm -q screen
>> screen-4.0.2-5
>>
>> Debian 6.0:
>> $ apt-cache show screen
>> Package: screen
>> Priority: optional
>> Section: misc
>> Installed-Size: 984
>> Maintainer: Jan Christoph Nordholz <hesso at pool.math.tu-berlin.de>
>> Architecture: i386
>> Version: 4.0.3-14
>> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libpam0g
>> (>= 0.99.7.1), dpkg (>= 1.15.4) | install-info
>> Filename: pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.0.3-14_i386.deb
>> Size: 604930
>> MD5sum: 4f2fe23c048e10f7592ab4be48fc9f12
>> SHA1: b77be652725e1e93f22b2918c1b04ec517427b20
>> SHA256:
> 6fbfe0e399c521fb433fdb4e8357927527c5dd392e3841f1441ea3ea6f0c7802
>> Description: terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
>>  screen is a terminal multiplexor that runs several separate "screens"
> on a
>>  single physical character-based terminal.  Each virtual terminal
> emulates a
>>  DEC VT100 plus several ANSI X3.64 and ISO 2022 functions.  Screen
> sessions
>>  can be detached and resumed later on a different terminal.
>>  .
>>  Screen also supports a whole slew of other features.  Some of these
> are:
>>  configurable input and output translation, serial port support,
> configurable
>>  logging, multi-user support, and utf8 charset support.
>> Homepage: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/screen
>> Tag: hardware::input:keyboard, implemented-in::c,
>> interface::text-mode, role::program, scope::utility,
>> uitoolkit::ncurses, works-with::software:running
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Geoffrey Myers
>> <lists at serioustechnology.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck Payne wrote:
>>>> Seriously Red Hat 6.0. Dude, that was 10 years ago, if RPM suck,
>>>> Enterprise Companies would use it. Yum has make it some much better,
>>>> try Fedora. In fact my only issue with them is they are starting to
>>>> dumd down the distro to be more popular for others. Both with
> openSUSE
>>>> and Fedora you can do upgrade to the next version. It works out
>>>> everything for you. Just like Ubuntu.
>>> I thought he was referring to the much newer release of Red Hat that
>>> just came out.  Cartman came out in 1999, certainly not germane to
> the
>>> current discussion?  Emphasis on 'current'.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Until later, Geoffrey
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