[ale] [OT] Load Control Switch

Geoffrey Myers lists at serioustechnology.com
Thu Apr 14 08:00:44 EDT 2011


Jim Kinney wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Greg Clifton <gccfof5 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gccfof5 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Jim,
> 
>     I know you majored in Physics, I in Botany. How much exactly is "a
>     full metric crapton of power?" I've never encountered that unit of
>     measure before ;-)
> 
> 
> As it's metric, most Americans struggle with the concept. It's between a 
> a$$load and a sh*tload BUT due to the conversion factor between British 
> pounds Sterling and American pounds and the Euro, it requires an extra 
> cubic furlong of methane equivalent on the odd months to round it out 
> during daylight savings time (in France).

I thought it was a foot pound per fortnight * furlong?

The difference between a$$load and sh*tload is simply that point at 
which the a$$ can no longer contain the sh*t.  Varies greatly from one 
a$$ to another.  Diet also plays a major roll.

> 
> yeah. physics major with a minor in math and BS :-)
> 
> 
>     GAP sent a letter last spring saying they would be around to swap
>     out the meter with a "smarty drawers" one that they could turn off &
>     on without a truck roll. I don't have a bad-ass dog, actually a
>     rather wimpy one, so I expect they did the deed, but haven't taken
>     note  of the fact.
> 
> 
> Look for a digital readout on the front instead of the spinny disk thing.
> 
> 
>     In my house, I have sprayed in polyurethane foam in the walls and
>     that stuff is THE BOMB, pretty much kills infiltration which is a
>     MAJOR contributor to home comfort/energy consumption. The attic
>     insulation, however, is fiberglass and it needs more. HVAC is via
>     relatively high efficiency heat pumps (SEER 13 IIRC). I opted to go
>     total electric on account of the stupid gas deregulation whereby you
>     pay $19.99/mo to AGL for the pipes in the ground and an additional
>     $4.99/mo "customer service fee" [read BILLING FEE] even with 0
>     therms of gas usage. Ergo I calculated that I would be paying ~
>     $300/yr just to have gas service. I figured that would buy me at
>     least 2 months of electricity in the low months and in the past 4
>     years I have had <$150 electric bills several months My worst was
>     this Jan, I think and just under $600.
> 
> 
> Foam in poly is flammable and poisonous when heated near combustion 
> point so keep the smoke detectors in perfect working order and RUN if 
> they go off. But it does a great job. I have cellulose in my attic. 
> Better R value per inch than fiberglass but the squirrels and roof rats 
> love it for bedding. Grr. It settles faster than blown in fiberglass but 
> costs much less to add more. Plus it doesn't itch at all. It's treated 
> with a flame retardent that makes it basically fireproof without an 
> applied flame.
> 
> My sister has a propane tank for her gas. I'm giving that serious thought.
> 
> 
>     Now if they'll just hurry up with that Volt-gle (sp?) nuclear plant
>     expansion so that electricity will "be too cheap to meter" I'll be
>     setting pretty. 
> 
> Yeah. Nuke powers famous promise. Too bad no one listened to the 
> engineers on that one. We really need a crap-fuel recycling plant that 
> can "burn" all the radioactive "sludge" from the older reactors. Plus a 
> total redesign to not require active emergency cooling. Maybe pumps to 
> keep the emergency cooling from automatically flooding the reactor and 
> shutting it down during use? Heat powered hydraulic rods that 
> automatically insert above a given temp and must be manually removed? 
> And that process kills the pumps holding back the cooling flood.
> 
> Seems simple.
>  
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         I looked at the first link in the below list. I put the "RF
>         Sickness" in the same category as "cellphone cancer" and
>         "Powerline illness".
> 
>         The ability to turn off the AC at residential houses during a
>         heat wave may seem intrusive, but it sure beats rolling
>         blackouts or the cost of new power plants. The house temp will
>         rise but not as bad as the outside temp.
> 
>         During summer months AC systems run at homes while the occupants
>         are at work. It's not uncommon for people to run the AC to chill
>         down to below 75F. When the temp outside is 100F that sucks down
>         a full metric crapton of power. And to do it when people are not
>         home is quite wasteful of all sorts of resources.
> 
>         Sadly, house construction is pretty uniform across the US and
>         not designed to use the local area considerations well. For some
>         dumb reason, a common roof color is BLACK in areas where the
>         temp is often over 95F. For some dumb reason, houses are _still_
>         built with 2x4 walls instead of 2x6 or offset 2x3 on a 6"
>         header. That extra 2" of insulation makes a HUGE difference. Add
>         in the radiant heat barrier on the inside walls (foil backed
>         sheetrock or foil faced batts) and in the attic (middle of
>         insulation a sheet of barrier or foil faced batts in a top one
>         up, bottom one down arrangement; i.e.
>         wall/ceiling->foil->insulation->foil->exterior attic/wall
>         cladding) coupled with serious attic ventilation (solar powered
>         turbine vents with thermal switching).
> 
>         OP: Programmable thermostats are great! This meter will/may be
>         able to read your thermostat and decide if your system is
>         chugging to hard for the power delivery ability for the area and
>         twiddle with the temp settings to cut back on power usage in summer.
> 
>         BTW: I have a auto-read power meter that send in the usage
>         automagically (they decided jumping my fence and dealing with my
>         dogs was not a happening thing :-)
> 
>         Water Co did the same thing but forgot to tell the meter reader
>         how to do his job so he broke off the wires the following month
>         doing his usual process. :-(
> 
>         On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Randy <handran at mindspring.com
>         <mailto:handran at mindspring.com>> wrote:
> 
>             On 4/13/2011 8:45 AM, Michael Potter wrote:
>              > This is off topic, but there seems to be other
>             discussions about
>              > electric power related topics.
>              >
>              > The power company has offered a $36/unit incentive to
>             install a load
>              > control switch on my AC units.
>              > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_control
>              > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_control_switch
>              >
>              > I don't really care about the $36.
>              > I am interested in being a good citizen and cooperating
>             to keep
>              > electrical rates down.
>              > I already have a programmable thermostat so I don't think
>             they will
>              > save much with me.
>              >
>              > My questions are:
>              > a) Does anyone have first hand knowledge of the quality
>             of install?
>              > b) Will this switch turn off a running unit, or just
>             prevent a stopped
>              > unit from starting?
>              > c) If it abruptly stops a running unit, will that shorten
>             the life?
>              >
>              >
> 
>             Stop Smart Meters!
>             http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/03/25/pges-opt-out-plan-a-trojan-horse-the-smart-meter-is-the-problem/
> 
>             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfT2nfIn8uo
> 
>             http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFLDE6860P520100908?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
>             <http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFLDE6860P520100908?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0>
> 
>             http://stopsmartmeters.org/how-you-can-stop-smart-meters/ca-local-governments-on-board/
> 
> 
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Until later, Geoffrey

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