[ale] Hello World - in C# - in Mono - in Ubuntu is done

[Jim Kinney]

If you're only going learn one language learn python. It meets your
requirements as well as the 3 you discussed and it's a fully open language.

On Sep 16, 2010 10:31 PM, "Ron Frazier" <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>
wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> I would have hoped for a more informative and less divisive reply from
> you. However, I have no desire to start an argument. 8-) If you type C#
> vs C++ vs Java into Google, you get about 2.5 million results. So,
> obviously, it's a hot debate. Instead of trying to read or summarize them,

> I'll just give my take on the issue.
>
> First and foremost, I want the knowledge I'm trying to acquire to make me
> money. These Wikipedia articles talk about market share:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows - Windows - ~ 91%
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh#Software - Mac OS - ~ 10%
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux - Linux Server - ~ 20% - 40%, Linux
> Desktop - ~ 5%
>
> A quick and dirty search on the Monster job board within 200 miles of
> Atlanta yields:
>
> C++ - 11 jobs
> C# - 57 jobs
> Java - 106 jobs
>
> So, I think I can certainly make money by learning C#. I could make money
> with Java too, but I'm more concerned about Oracle being a corporate evil
> demon than Microsoft at this point, given their propensity to sue people
> after acquiring Sun. The Java community seems to be in an uproar. Also,
> Microsoft is under scrutiny by the US Government for potentially anti
> competitive practices. That past is not good, but they have to be careful
> about further activities of that nature.
>
>
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/oracles-java-lawsuit-undermines-its-open-source-credibility.ars
> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70619.html?wlc=1284686907
>
http://www.infoworld.com/t/intellectual-property/oracles-android-lawsuit-pandoras-box-serious-evils-359
>
http://phandroid.com/2010/08/23/android-developers-unhappy-with-oracle-over-baseless-lawsuit/
>
> In addition, I want the following from my language of choice:
>
> Modern, high performance (but not real-time, for drivers, or kernels),
> object oriented, multi threaded, capable of usage for desktop, server, or
> network based applications. In my mind, the candidates are:
> C++, C#, Java
>
> In terms of performance, the list above should be in order of fastest to
> slowest. Also, my personal experience with Java applications indicates
> they tend to be slower than native applications.
>
> I want my language to protect the programmer from bugs like memory leaks
> and pointer errors. That knocks out C++. Both Java and C# are resistant
> to those types of errors and have automatic garbage collection as far as I

> know. Remaining candidates:
> C#, Java
>
> In terms of being proprietary, both C# and Java are - in that their syntax

> and features are controlled by corporations. See post #11 in the following

> thread:
>
>
http://bytes.com/topic/c-sharp/answers/249140-c-proprietary-programming-language
>
> C# is documented and specified in international EMCA standards. I'm not
> sure whether anything similar exists for Java.
>
> I want my language to be cross platform. Java is well known for
> this. However, through the Mono project, as well as possibly others, it
> appears that C# is very cross platform as well. I believe the situation
> has been improving recently. A Google search on C# cross platform yields
> 948,000 results. Also, the following link on the Mono site lists 20+
> applications that have been written in Mono.
>
> http://mono-project.com/Screenshots
>
> Finally, I want my language to be able to produce self contained free
> standing applications. As far as I know, this knocks out Java.
>
> So, overall, I don't think I was so short sited after all. 8-)
>
> PS# 1 - I was thinking about learning Java, before the Oracle debacle.
> PS# 2 - I did produce my Hello World app in a fully Linux environment.
> PS# 3 - The /ect/sudoers file, for example, uses the # symbol as a
comment,
> not a NOT.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
> At 9/16/2010 05:51 PM -0400, aaron wrote:
>
>>I can't think of anything more short sighted than learning to program in
>>a totally proprietary language, especially given that there are so many
>>fully capable and liberated open source languages available whose
>>designers don't try to handcuff you to proprietary API's and put
>>daunting
>>roadblocks in the way of cross platform compiling.
>>
>>In some assembly code languages, "#" is the NOT symbol, so even the
>>name of the C# language is telling you NOT to use it! :-)
>>
>>peace
>>aaron
>
>
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>
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>
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