On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 22:10 -0500, Michael Potter wrote: > They do not try to hide that it is refurb, they they > also do not make it obvious. Online it is not obvious. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6087494&sku=H94-2812 At the bottom of that page it says "recertified".