[ale] [ALE-jobs] Opportunity for Windows Admin in PA/TN

[Charles Shapiro]

Well put as always, Mr. Ruscetta.

-- CHS

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:05 AM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking back to when Jim took the initiative to start the
> jobs list and took on the task of moderating it,  he did
> state his intent to post opportunities in the IT/Tech
> sector even when Linux / Unix / FLOSS were not
> integral parts of the job descriptions. Some discussion
> along the lines of the current debate followed, but
> there was no commitment to filter out "off topic" posts.
>
> Though I stand by my convictions that posts to our jobs
> list from outside companies, most especially recruiters,
> should be limited to items with Linux & FLOSS relevance,
> the ALE membership seems split on the issue.
>
> In the end it's the call of whoever has taken on the
> volunteer task of moderating the list. The current
> moderator a fair minded but avid FLOSS evangelist,
> so I doubt the ALE-jobs list will become a wasteland
> dumping ground for windisease recruiters.  Hopefully
> this ALE offering will remain a high gravity brew with
> a distinctive character.
>
> peace
> aaron
>
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> On 2010/11/11, at 07:40 , Jim Kinney wrote:
>> I stand by my decision to approve a job posting that had no
>>
>> specific Linux/FLOSS context except for one: the access to
>>
>> an opportunity to introduce the employer to our world.
>>
>> In order to expand the coverage of Linux, we have to have
>>
>> access to do so.  Standing outside the parking lot gate won't
>>
>> get it done. Standing inside the data center will.
>>
>> Besides it's loads of fun to replace a stack of windows machines
>>
>> with a pair of redundant Linux servers. It's hard to do that in an
>>
>> all Linux shop.
>>
>> Preaching to the choir is a waste of time when the game
>>
>> is to claim converts.
>>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 10, 2010 11:53 PM, "arxaaron" <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 2010/11/10, at 22:10 , Mike Harrison wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Sparr wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Mike Harrison
>> <cluon at geeklabs.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Would you rather give one of "us" Linux/FOSS aware
>> >>>> people a chance at a paying job....
>> >>>> or one of "them" M$-centric fanbois?
>> >>>
>> >>> By that logic, *any* job posting is relevant to this board, almost
>> >>> all
>> >>> of them more so than a MS job posting.
>> >>
>> >> I just hired a kid who's been working the Deli counter at Wal-
>> Mart..
>> >> Still
>> >> is on weekends. But he can use vi, diff, and write some basic code.
>> >> He's
>> >> learning quickly. While I'm not so sure the Wal-Mart deli job
>> >> posting is
>> >> apropos to an ALE-Jobs or other technology list, I'm glad he had
>> the
>> >> job
>> >> until he found employment as a Linux sysadmin.
>> >>
>> >> In 2004 I made more money as a welder than a Linux geek.
>> >> Still have a dead spot in my right eye from it ("instant" on
>> welding
>> >> mask
>> >> failed) The message I got that work from a posting to a Linux
>> list and
>> >> kept me fed for 6 months. (I made special brackets for antenna
>> >> mounts).
>> >>
>> >> In 2005, I took a job that includes babysitting 14 2000/2003
>> windows
>> >> iMail
>> >> and IIS servers. I converted most of them to a single Linux
>> server. I
>> >> could not have done that if I had not taken the job.
>> >>
>> >> It is far easier to convert the unwashed ignaorant masses from
>> within
>> >> the castle walls, than from across the moat.
>> >
>> > The point in this is not a question of whether working
>> > in odd jobs, tech oriented or otherwise, MafiaSoft centric
>> > or not, is better for someone than not working at all.
>> >
>> > The question is whether postings for those odd jobs
>> > are appropriate to the ALE-jobs list, and the answer is
>> > that they aren't. A posting for a welding gig or a babysitting
>> > job or a windisease-only admin position are all equally
>> > inappropriate to the context of the ALE-jobs list.
>> >
>> > If someone wants to (or is willing to) be a welder or a
>> > babysitter or an accomplice to convicted corporate
>> > criminals to pay the bills, there are many resources
>> > available for finding work in those arenas. There is
>> > no reason or justification for ALE to dilute its services
>> > by trying to be a redundant echo of those resources.
>> >
>> > The point and purpose of the ALE-jobs list is to be a
>> > clear resource for finding employment and employees
>> > in arenas relating to some level of Linux, Unix, or
>> > FLOSS administration or development. If the job
>> > description doesn't include _something_ relating
>> > to those, then it is clearly and simply inappropriate
>> > and needs to be directed elsewhere. Otherwise we
>> > might as well label it the ALE-craigslist and start
>> > posting service offers from prostitutes and
>> > employment offers from pimps because the list
>> > will have no differentiating or specific purpose
>> > at that point.
>> >
>> > peace
>> > aaron
>> >
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