[ale] best cross platform development evironment

[Richard Bronosky]

I warned people about MSFT's "promises" when they named a product
"Plays for sure" and sold DRM protected music to people. Well guess
what, even MSFT's own Zune won't play that crap anymore.

1. A promise is only as good as the credibility of the promisee.
2. Credibility is a judgement of one's history.
3. MSFT's history is forever tarnished.
4. This list will forever criticize any MSFT endorsements.

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:41 AM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
>> To put it simply C# is NOT "free open source software" because of the restrictions M$ put in the patent agreement.
>
> Both ECMA 334 and 335 are covered under MS's Open Specification
> Promise[1], a legally enforceable[2] contract. Thus, MS cannot sue
> anyone who implements 334 and 335 as detailed in the standards.
> Therefore, Mono, the base implementation of C# and the .Net libraries,
> ARE FOSS.
>
> You not liking MS does not change that fact.
>
>> If you think the only ones on the hook would be folks like Novell then you do NOT know the history of M$.   (By the way - It is ironic you used Novell as your example.   They are the only Linux distributor (SuSe) dumb enough to sign a no-sue agreement with M$ over FOSS.)
>
> If you write an application using Mono, then you are not IMPLEMENTING
> .Net. You are USING an implementation of .Net. Nothing in that patent
> letter implies users of an implementation are subject to any action
> what-so-ever. Only implementors. Additionally, Novell was not an
> example (as indicated by my use of "i.e."[3]). Novell are the ones who
> write, and maintain, Mono -- the implementation of 334 and 335.
>
> This thread is about cross platform development environments for Linux
> _and_ Windows. Java was eliminated from the realm of possibilities
> because Oracle claims ownership of Java under threat of litigation,
> despite Sun having licensed something with the name "Java" under the
> GPL. So, the runner up, like it or not, is C# and .Net. Any other
> environment is going to require much more work (making sure the right
> libraries are installed, etc.).
>
>
> [1] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Community_Promise
> [2] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise
> [3] -- http://www.wikihow.com/Use-%22i.e.%22-Versus-%22e.g.%22
>
> --
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>
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> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>
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