[ale] best cross platform development evironment

Tue Nov 9 14:30:00 EST 2010

I am on a management team where we have 29 python developers
(including the 4 managers). All but 5 were new to python as of March.
Their backgrounds are as wide spread as anything mentioned on this
thread. I have seen no one have a problem learning python. The
development framework we are using (django) is another story. Learning
a framework, any framework, takes a little time. You learn as a result
of exposure, and you only get exposure to the thing you need as you
need them.

TMALSS:
+1 for python

On 11/9/10, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I've built at least one reasonably fast GUI with WxPython (
> http://www.wxpython.org/ ) in front of a SQLite database.  I've also
> written a lot of perl. The learning curve between perl and python
> isn't all that daunting, 'specially if you already have some C and
> Java under your belt.  Python is also quite stylish, and for an
> increasing number of people it is their first exposure to actual
> programming.  That means that you're probably going to be able to find
> Python programmers pretty easily going forward, if one of your current
> team shoots his wife or decides to leave in a huff.
>
> Python lacks the extraordinary library depth of Perl (
> http://www.cpan.org/ ), although the standard release comes with a
> pretty good basic API.  There are signs ( http://pypi.python.org/pypi
> ) that could change over the next few years.  And there are some
> marvelous Python-based web development environments (
> http://www.zope.org/ ) ( http://www.cherrypy.org/ ),
>
> That said, if you and your team already have experience with another
> language, I'm not sure I'd try a whole new one just for the
> entertainment value. Unless, of course, entertainment is what you're
> after.   <<ducks>>
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Geoffrey Myers
> <lists at serioustechnology.com> wrote:
>> Chuck Payne wrote:
>>> Please note that correct spelling of SUSE is SUSE if you are talking
>>> about the SLE version openSUSE. S.u.S.E hasn't not been used since
>>> over 6 years. As for as MONO, openSUSE and SLE aren't the only Linux
>>> Distro to use it. Ubuntu and Fedora are using as well.
>>>
>>> Novell get the most flak because of agreement they signed with MS,
>>> which by ways doesn't effect openSUSE, it was more for SLE. MONO is
>>> free.
>>>
>>> Geoffrey, what are you want to cross development for, Mac, Windows,
>>> and Linux? Why no Python?
>>
>> The developers have current experience in: C, perl, OO, java
>> development.  Hadn't considered Python as it's not something we know.
>> Can I build a full blown, fast gui using Python?
>>
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> To put it simply C# is NOT "free open source software" because of
>>>> the restrictions M$ put in the patent agreement.
>>>>
>>>> If you think the only ones on the hook would be folks like Novell
>>>> then you do NOT know the history of M$.   (By the way - It is
>>>> ironic you used Novell as your example.   They are the only Linux
>>>> distributor (SuSe) dumb enough to sign a no-sue agreement with M$
>>>> over FOSS.)
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: ale-bounces at ale.org
>>>> [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of James Sumners Sent:
>>>> Monday, November 08, 2010 10:03 AM To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>>>> Subject: Re: [ale] best cross platform development evironment
>>>>
>>>> What is the problem here? MS has essentially waived any patent
>>>> claims to their invention (C# and .Net) in order to get it
>>>> standardized. The only people who have to request a "license" are
>>>> the people implementing the standard (if that's even necessary).
>>>> So, the people creating Mono (i.e. Novell) are the ones on the
>>>> hook, not you.
>>>>
>>>> To put it simply: Mono _is_ Free Open Source Software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Hubbs <jhubbslist at att.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Please excuse me if I decline to "get over it:"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma%20PATENT/ECMA-334%20&%20335/ECMA-334%204th%20Edition%20patent%20statements.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma%20PATENT/ECMA-334%20&%20335/ECMA-335%204th%20Edition%20patent%20statements.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We went to Linux and F/OSS to get away from having to obtain
>>>>> corporate permission (in exchange for money or not) to use
>>>>> software.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/8/10 9:32 AM, James Sumners wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm
>>>>>>  and
>>>>>> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Jeff Hubbs<jhubbslist at att.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Seeing as he says he has concerns about Java...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/8/10 9:19 AM, James Sumners wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why not C# with .Net/Mono? Mono supports Winforms[1].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] -- http://www.mono-project.com/Winforms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Geoffrey Myers
>>>>>>>> <lists at serioustechnology.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Trying to decide on the best cross platform development
>>>>>>>>> environment. Right now, considering Java, C++ and QT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Concerns about Java because of who now owns it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have to develop an application that will run on both
>>>>>>>>> Windows desktops and Linux desktops.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Insights, suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- Until later, Geoffrey
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