[ale] best cross platform development evironment

[Lightner, Jeff]

The first reply to the C# suggestion merely said that if one has qualms
about Oracle/Java then MS/C# would not likely be a solution.

It was the post that said "get over it" that changed the tone of the
posts.

If all one has is "cutesy" names by opponents as one's raison d'etre
then it  shows an inability to argue on a logical basis.  Once you start
attacking the person rather than the argument you've shown your own
arguments to be invalid.  

As for me I've noted the irony before of Open Source folks embracing
Apple given that it requires proprietary hardware to run its OS unlike
MS.   I had noted previously on this list that years ago many of us that
were doing DOS (yes DOS) and Windows disliked Apple for this very
reason.

Positions evolve over time.   I once loved SCO because like MS it would
run on almost any PC using x86 and was making my living for me.

Similarly, I didn't always dislike M$ - My opinion of them started to
change when they came out with Windows NT with the stated intention of
taking the place of UNIX.   As a UNIX Admin I was not likely to embrace
that position.   Windows has never seemed a good substitute for X
Windows to me.   All NT really succeeded in killing was Novell Netware.
Also MS essentially gave away MS office (or more exactly reportedly
forced PC manufacturers to bundle it if they wanted the OS) in order to
kill very good applications like WordPerfect and Lotus 123.  Once they
became dominant they no longer gave it away and they've done what they
could to make it closed to working with other vendors' apps.  Having
read many accounts of the way they do business and seeing both the US
and the EU start actions against them for antitrust is all I need to
form an opinion.   If an overarching desire to make money in ways that
are not allowed in agreements they've signed as well as regulations and
laws preventing such methods leads me to say "M$" then I will free to do
so.

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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
Jerald Sheets
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:25 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] best cross platform development evironment

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On Nov 8, 2010, at 12:09 PM, James Sumners wrote:

>  They've just been about fallacies
> proven incorrect because some people can't get over the fact that MS
> created the easiest answer to the question.


How do you think I feel on this list when it comes to Apple solutions?  

I understand your position, and I'm in the same place on the Apple side.
I recognize my peril and choose to play there for the case of
experience.  When it comes to my servers, I go Linux all the way.  I'm
not as willing as some of us to become what is essentially communist in
ideology, but as I tell my employers, "You're going to find out about me
that I don't like to spend money.  Whenever possible, in each and every
case, Free and Open is the way to go if business cases permit it.  It is
the best solution for every situation I can imagine"

I think the overall point is, though, that you cannot trust a for-profit
to "do the right thing" if push ever comes to shove.  Those products, by
all appearances, may not be encumbered now, but they are also not GPL.
At some point in the future, Offending Company X can decide to take
their ball and go home making this entire argument fallacious.

When everything in that block of code becomes an actual, verifiable (and
able to stand up in court) LICENSE such as the GPL, then you trust that
entity at your own peril.

#!/jerald
Linux User #183003
Ubuntu User #32648

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