[ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!

Fri Jul 2 14:53:42 EDT 2010

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 14:41, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> One of my favorite Heinlein stories is about a girl who gets knocked up by a
> stranger who swept her off her feet then abandoned her.   She has the baby
> and gives it up for adoption.   Turns out she’s a hermaphrodite and the
> pregnancy/birth has messed her up so much the doctor gives her a sex
> change.   Later as a young man he is approached by an older guy who recruits
> him into the time police.   One of the first things he does is goes back in
> time to find the guy that knocked him up when he was a woman.   He can’t
> however, resist, having sex with his younger female self so it turns out
> he’s the one who knocked himself up.   After the female self gives birth he
> takes the baby (a little girl) and puts it with the folks that raised him -
> as it turns out the baby is him.  After several years he goes back in time
> and recruits his younger male self into the time police.   He ends by saying
> “I know who I am but where did all you zombies come from?”

Behold the power of Java!

from overview question to RAH's "All You Zombies" in 7 messages.....

:)

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> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Kinney
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:22 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> Subject: Re: [ale] Servlets and NetBeans and .jars, oh my!
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> But java is self-documenting! All you need to do is run your working source
> code through....
>
> yep! it's self-referencing closed loop process - to learn java is to know
> java is to learn java is...
>
> It's like the watch in the movie "Somewhere in time" with Cristopher Reeves.
> At a conference, an old woman gives him a pocket watch. He goes back in time
> and gives that watch to her younger self. Who made the watch?
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Dylan Northrup <ale at doc-x.net> wrote:
>
> And it also seems that, whatever you're trying to do, there's not a good,
> piece by piece tutorial for putting things together a bit at a time.  The
> HOWTOs and tutorials I've seen always seem to have a step that goes
> something like the following:
>
>    Step ???: Download the following jar files: <insert names of several
> libraries author finds useful>.  Now type out the code below and magical
> stuff will happen because all the hard work is done by the libraries you've
> downloaded in the trivial case I've outlined below that doesn't cover what
> you want to be able to do.
>
> Ok, I admit, many times the author is not straightforward about admitting
> that last bit, but it almost always seems to be the case. It's not that I'm
> against useful libraries, but I've not found an author that a) introduces
> their libs one at a time, b) gives a thorough description of the libraries
> they're using, what the specific benefits are, c) provides more than one
> scenario for the libraries they use or d) any combination of these.
>
> So, if you're trying to do exactly what the HOWTO author is doing, you're
> good to go.  If you want to do something else, the HOWTO doesn't cover it
> and, depending on what set of libraries you've installed, you may have to
> jump through an enormous number of hoops to be able to do something that
> seems like a simple expansion on what the HOWTO covered, but isn't because
> the methods you need aren't implemented in the libraries.
> </rant>
>
> If someone can point me to the documentation or books I've been unable to
> find that explain things clearly, incrementally and thoroughly (more than
> one or tow use cases), I would be eternally grateful.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree. It seems to me that this answer is really "depends on what
> you're trying to do." In my case, I have to learn Java (the easiest
> part) + Libraries + Tomcat + whatever else is needed to run/administer
> my portal.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Dylan Northrup <ale at doc-x.net> wrote:
>> Actually, I think that'd be precisely the wrong place to start.  The
>> tutorials there are presented on specific technologies, but are not put
>> into
>> any overall context and there is nothing to tie the tutorials together or
>> show when and where they're supposed to be used.  I know this because I am
>> in the same position as Pete, have been looking for a similar "Guide to
>> the
>> Java Ecosystem" and found Sun's Java tutorials to be utterly lacking in
>> that
>> respect.  Sun's site is great for learning how to implement the specific
>> technologies, but not on why you'd want to implement those technologies,
>> IMO.  YMMV.
>
>
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> James Sumners
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> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
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>
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