[ale] [OT] Psychology of Denial about Climate Change

[Sean McNealy]

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_sndw_dcus_nus_w.htm
Current Imports:  11M (9M crude)
Current Exports:  1.7M (almost all refined product)
Domestic Production:  5M crude

These numbers fluctuate a lot with prices and seasons political
tensions and uncountable other factors, so a lot of the numbers quoted
earlier are probably correct enough for this discussion.

Though, I noticed where you got your numbers.  You were looking at
refined petroleum products.  Your 90% number is refinery output, when
it's where the refinery input (crude) comes from that causes world
political and economic issues.

-Sean


On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Jeff Hubbs <jhubbslist at att.net> wrote:
> Oh?  Where am I - or, rather, where is the DOE (where I got the numbers)
> wrong, David?
>
> On 2/25/10 4:11 PM, David Ritchie wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jeff Hubbs<jhubbslist at att.net>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This GOP rallying cry hides a certain facetiousness:  we have been and
>>> already are.
>>>
>>> The US produces more than 90% of the petroleum products it consumes and
>>> imports about 3M barrels per day of refined petroleum products.
>>> Furthermore, we export almost 2M barrels a day of oil, almost all of it in
>>> the form of refined products.
>>>
>>> We import more oil from non-OPEC countries than OPEC countries and that has
>>> been true since the 1990s and was true through much of the 1980s.
>>>
>>> Funny thing, reality.
>>>
>> It is. I just don't think you are there. The U.S. produces ~6 Million
>> barrels a day of oil,
>> and consumes over 20.7 M barrels a day.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crude_oil_production.
>> Refined products do go out of the country (particularly diesel fuels
>> to Europe), but we
>> by far use more energy than we produce - and that has been the case
>> since the 1970's...
>> The days of $200/barrel oil are on the way....
>>
>> -- Dave
>>
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