[ale] unusual global warming experiment

[Greg Freemyer]

Yeah,

I was mostly thinking of Asia and India.  If you've ever been to
Taiwan as an example there are definitely more scooters than cars on
the road.  And if you throw in how badly those things pollute it
really is a huge issue for them.

NASA recently said 90% of the melting of the Himalayas is caused by
black soot pollution.  Mostly coming from India and China I believe.
I don't know if 2-cycle engines pump out black soot or not
specifically.

fyi: I assume we all know the Himalayan Glaciers melting by 2035
statement was not based on science at all.

Greg

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> He said "not in the US/EU".  That is to say there are cities around the
> world with millions of inhabitants that may primarily use motorcycles or
> scooters rather than cars.   In addition to that you have things like
> auto-rickshaws used all over Asia (including India) that are essentially
> 3 wheeled motorcycles with a seat in back to allow people to sit side by
> side as they did in the old rickshaws.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Geoffrey
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:59 AM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> Subject: Re: [ale] unusual global warming experiment
>
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> Typical 2-cycle pollutes about 50x worse than 4-cycle with catalytic
>> converter iirc.
>>
>> They push the fuel out only half burned or some such.
>>
>> Snow mobiles are a huge issue in some areas.
>
> Still, when you look at the vast number of autos on the road, certainly,
>
> there's a 10 to 1 ratio or more.  I just pulled that # out of the sky,
> but I can look out the window and I know I'll see 5 cars before I see
> one mower or other such 2 cycle device.
>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On 2/11/10, Geoffrey <lists at serioustechnology.com> wrote:
>>> Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>>>> Most of the pollution around cities is caused by factory stacks,
>>>>> specifically the burning of coal, but the spin magicians make it
> the
>>>>> "fault
>>>>> of the masses" by saying we can solve those emission geysers by
> reducing
>>>>> the
>>>>> emissions of cars.
>>>>>
>>>> I'd guess most of the pollution around cities is caused by 2-cycled
>>>> engines on small motor bikes.  Just not in the US / EU.
>>> Seriously, you jest?  Certainly if it's gas powered engines, the size
>>> and volume of automobiles far exceeds 2-cycled engines of all types?
>>> (mowers, weed eaters..)
>>>
>>>> Greg
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